MRAs and feminists against prostitution

According to MRAs feminists are against prostitution because they are afraid that if prostitution was legal, men would give up about having a girlfriend or wife and have sex only with prostitutes. It is ridiculous, even if prostitution is legal, men will still have girlfriends and get married. Where I live, there are couples who are renting prostitutes to have threesomes. Furthermore many women see prostitutes as below them so they can’t be jealous. There are feminists who are jealous of other women (most feminists where I live are like that), but these feminists bashes supermodels or other attractive women – and they all love The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf, they are not attacking prostitution because they are jealous of prostitutes. In fact where I live, there are feminists who support prostitution and are jealous of other women at the same time and constantly bashes them.

The reasons there are feminists against prostitution are far more weird than simply jealousy towards prostitutes. The most famous abolitionist here (people who want to abolish prostitution) is a guy, Richard Poulin, and he explained why he wants prostitution abolished. He’s an anti-capitalist from the Far-Left. For him, prostitution started when primitive capitalism started and people stopped living in hunter-gatherer societies and started farming. In this idea you have all the obsessions of the far-left. People on the far-left despise Capitalist developed societies and have always praised primitive societies – that’s why they were praising China 40 years ago when it was a rural country and most of it’s population were farmers. It’s almost certain that in hunter-gatherer societies, there are women who were having sex with men in exchange for foods and it’s obvious that these societies were not a paradise for women either. But people on the far-left don’t care about women, they care only about capitalism. Furthermore I remember reading that only 3% of human cultures do not have prostitutes therefore prostitution is universal, but people on the far-left are fascinated by totalitarian ideas and believe that all human behavior is a social construction, so they believe they can abolish prostitution.

306 thoughts on “MRAs and feminists against prostitution

  1. was Naomi Wolf hot when she was young?

    Desi: I owe you an apology. The filthy desi whore in my calc class is not named “Pandit” but “Patel”. I knew it was a generic desi name beginning with the letter “P” and I just mixed up the two.

    So is Patel a good Brahimin name? Obviously I don’t want to bang low caste garbage. If she is low caste and I bang her anyway, can her shitty karma transfer over to me?

  2. In the Puahate thread about Yohami, Yohami showed up and he had an interesting convo with other people :

    http://puahate.com/showthread.php?p=1544806#post1544806 and the following comments

    This is what a poster told Yohami :

    You are an alpha-lame fuckwit.

    But seriously, you spout a lot of unrealistic crap on your website. The whole alpha/beta distinction is a strain on reality to begin with, you take it to another level.

    It is wise to be assertive at times and at other times it is prudent to be cooperative, or allow missteps, of your own or others, to slide. To try to be alpha at all times is inappropriate. To be beta at all times means having no self-respect. The proper blend of these two polarities is called “maturity”. Too much alphaness makes you into a self-absorbed jerk. Too much beta makes you pathetic, weak-willed and insecure, a people pleaser bowing to pretentious “alpha-males” or other users. Few people are really either extreme. Most people are fairly mature.

    You make claims about what women find attractive in men that seem to have no basis in reality. You just make assertions and apparently demand your readership to simply accept your every assertion as gospel truth.

    You make claims about women that are ridiculous. Even if I were a misogynist/male chauvinist type, which I am not, I would be an idiot to believe the things that you write. Women are not utterly irrational and completely lacking any connection to reality, even if you want to maintain women are more irrational than men. What planet are you from? Have you ever spoken to woman outside of your basement? Again, even if I were an extreme woman-hater I would find your statements about female-nature ludicrous by my own experiences.

    You seem very egotistical in general. You think you are practically worthy of worship. You are one of the most outrageous PUAs I have come across, that list includes Erik Von Markovik, Neil Strauss and Paul Ross. I would include Tyler Durden as well but I don’t like making fun of retards.

  3. Good god if my dad had written such a letter to me, or spoken like that to me, I would have called the 800 number for child abuse.

    CREEPY

  4. Deti is one downer of a daddy, I tell you what!

    “No thanks Pops, I’ll stick with lifelong celibacy and forgo the whole unappealing mess.”

  5. Roosh has built a career on “notches” because he found that real world careers/jobs:

    don’t tumble into your lab after college when you wave your degree in the air.

    make you start out at the bottom.

    aren’t always fun.

    What is a spoiled lazy boy to do? The answer: Look to your penis. Make it the source of your life’s plans and happiness and encourage others to join your cult.

    The cult of the pua!

  6. “I was scared to death of male/female relationships”.

    “A reaction against emasculinization”.

    From the seriel killer documentary: Murder – No Apparant Motive

    NEED I SAY MORE?

  7. Women in Islam know their place. I hear that in India, Hindu women also know their place. But Islamic women are the best at “place knowing”. If I was married, i would only marry a muslima.

    I saw this tall whorish Desi at school today. I didn’t know Desi sluts could be tall. She was wearing thick black “nerd” glasses which added to her hotness.

  8. Obsidian’s beef with his now ex girlfriend, Ms. Susan Walsh, is now on his blog

    obsidianraw dot bravejournal dot com

  9. I’ve read Obsidian post. He was the last guy from the manosphere who was not against Susan Walsh and now it’s over because she put him on moderation. She has lost them one after another.

  10. That’s what Sue gets for trying to court the Manosphere. NMMNG, did you read that “female privelege” blog? Manboobz wrote a blog about it and so did Amanda Marcotte. Funny.

    I agreed with Amanda.

  11. Regarding the latest mass shooting in fubar America: (Colorado)

    Look for the manosphere to start posting tripe about how this is the fault of feminism (i.e., women). Murder apologists.

  12. I like to read Amanda’s posts occasionally. Sometimes it gets a little too SWPL, pc, overwrought, whatever, but I don’t think she’s worthless.

    And calling us cunts is losing its sting, Otis. We don’t clutch our pearls anymore when some little dude man calls us that naughty, naughty word!

    So don’t be such a silly twat!

  13. Generally, if somebody says something doesn’t bother them, it probably does.

    But no matter, I don’t call any woman a cunt because I desire to offend her, I call her a cunt because she is a cunt.

    There are many types of people I hate, but very few people who I detest as individuals. Amynda Marcuntte is one of those few. I fucking hate that goddamn, horse faced whore. She is ugly and worthless.

  14. Oh, that’s right…you used to troll there, correct? And she banned you?

    Do you post at the Spearhead and A Voice for Men? They’d welcome you.

    Oh, boo-hoo, just go have a beer. I’ve been banned (I think) from 2 places; aint’ no big deal. Cunt used to be a bit shocking, but no more. Our culture has become so coarse and boorish, I fully expect to hear it on mainstream tv before too long.

  15. Female privilege is walking into a bar knowing you can go home and have sex the same night.

    Bwahahahahahhaha!

    No, female privilege would be walking into a yoga class full of EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE men and knowing you can go home and have SATISFYING sex with any of them or get any type of relationship you want out of any of them.

  16. That latin chick on Susan’s blog went to a manosphere site and gave evidence that women in Latin America are not as bad as North American women because in her country her family and friends were “appalled” that Carrie chose Big over Aiden on Sex and the City.

    Goodness me.

  17. Oh, that’s right…you used to troll there, correct? And she banned you?

    Over 20 times.

    She is ugly and thinks she’s attractive. You bash Sue’s mediocre looks but Amanda’s horse face gets a pass from you. Probably because she like Latrinos.

    Amanda bashed Natalie Portman for being proud of being a mother despite the fact that Portman is a millions times hotter than fugly Amynda.

  18. “Female privilege is walking into a bar knowing you can go home and have sex the same night.”

    Bwahahahah, indeed! More like gag, puke, vom!!! Who wants to walk into a bar and take home one of the barflies? Don’t think I ever saw a guy so damn fine looking I wanted to take him home and bone him. Those guys are rare. Most men are in the 4-5 range.

    Otis, Amanda is average looking. She doesn’t ever state she’s “hot” or call other women ugly so her looks aren’t relevant. The Bee, on the other hand, does do this so her looks are fair game. I do remember her Natalie Portman post and thought it was rather pissy of Manda. Nat was excited about her baby; what’s the problem?

  19. I think Amanda’s problem was the creepy way that Portman used an award acceptance speech to thank her husband for getting her pregnant, which was admittedly bizarre, but then she also went on a rant about motherhood in general so who knows what her real problem was.

    Otis, Amanda is average looking.

    Pssh. In her dreams, maybe. A 4 if their ever was one. And she has repeatedly stated that she is as attractive as Sarah Palin, which is baloney.

    I need a link of Sue claiming to be hot, I don’t believe you.

  20. I’m not wading thru all that horseshit! She’s bragged about guys hitting on her, even a female coworker who wanted some lesbian lovin’ with the Bee.

    I didn’t think Portman’s speech was creepy. She was excited, happy and let her feelings pour out rather than mumble a nice, bland speech. People can watch the most rancid porn but real emotions? That’s gross!

  21. Susan Walsh is far worst than Amanda Marcotte. Susan Walsh bragged about her sexcapades and constantly calls other women sluts sluts because she’s jealous and she’s pandering to the manosphere because she hates other women. And I’m not a fan of Amanda Marcotte.

  22. I posted in a nice way on Sue’s blog once the irony that her and Marcotte could be sisters, they look that much alike. They do. Same bone structure, coloring, even the same haircut at one point!

    Sue deleted it of course.

    Sue wrote a scathing comment to a new girl at her site who dared politely disagree with that the reason she was disagreeing was because she was so ugly that the guys she banged had to put a bag over her head and kick her out of bed immediately when done.

    WTF?!?!

    I called Sue out on it and she quickly deleted all the comments, mine, her’s and the other commenter’s.

    She’s toxic.

  23. Yes, the Bee gets erratic…blame it on the midafternoon margaritas, the pre-dinner chardonnay, and the late night brandies, with the occasional xanax or similar prescription pill.

    Classic alcoholic upper class housewife.

  24. I posted in a nice way on Sue’s blog once the irony that her and Marcotte could be sisters, they look that much alike. They do. Same bone structure, coloring, even the same haircut at one point!

    I guess we all look the same to you.

    Sue wrote a scathing comment to a new girl at her site who dared politely disagree with that the reason she was disagreeing was because she was so ugly that the guys she banged had to put a bag over her head and kick her out of bed immediately when done.

    fuckin lunatic. I think Sue really does hate young women.

    did Sue make mad coin in her youth before she became a housewife? She should be on one of those Real Housewives shows. She’s certainly egotistical and shallow enough.

  25. This has nothing to do with anything whatsoever, but do any of the women now places where I can buy cute clothes for decent prices? I’m buying new clothes on a budget and I’ve been doing mostly well , but I’m curious as to what stores other than forever21 have good prices and decent quality clothing. Any ideas?

  26. Sorry! I HATE clothes & shoe shopping. My wardrobe is a disgrace, really.

    If I absolutely have to get something, I head for Kohl’s.

    Maria, another poster here, finds some good deals on zappos website. I’ve found handbags there for good prices. More and more, I try to purchase stuff online because I can barely tolerate going to stores anymore. Service is so bad or nonexistent because they don’t want to hire enough clerks. (lay-offs!)

    I guess I should hand in my female card.

  27. I guess I should hand in my female card.

    Shopping and fashion is gay, I agree. I don’t even like showering!

  28. I’ll admit: some days I skip showering. But only if I’m going to be working at home that day. That might be changing soon; of course, then it’s a daily shower so I don’t offend co-workers.

    I do floss every day without fail. And brush my teeth 3-4 times daily.

  29. We are similar, i am obsessed with brushing my teeth. I don’t shower a lot but I try to sit in the back of the class so I don’t distract my classmates too much with my stench.

  30. Cheap stores with some good deals; Ross, Bealls, 5 Dollar Fashions. Even some Family Dollars and Dollar Generals have some cute clothes. And of course Wal-mart.

  31. Let’s see how the manosphere deals with this mass killing spree that happened last night in Colorado. Of course it will be the Feminazi’s fault for not allowing this poor young man to get laid.

  32. I like one of the commenter’s posts in reference to lonely, horny betas: “Should he get a complimentary blowjob or something?”

    That’s the answer! Who’s going to volunteer?

  33. Those men can’t get women because there’s likely something wrong with them to begin with. Not the other way around.

    Women can tell if a guy is batshit crazy. And those that can’t or can and feel sympathy will eventually become the victims of their batshit crazy rage. That’s just the way it is.

    People from the sphere need to stop identifying with the kinds of people who are crazy, deranged mass shooters.

  34. Just catching up on the “real world” after camping the woods for more than a week.

    1.) Absolutely flabbergasted that SueBee has broken up with her former BFF Blobsidian. She literally has nobody left from her former fanboyz except Asshole Kay and he’s probably next! What a nutcase! The Bee can’t get along with anyone–even the people who agree with her! She literaly cannot stand dissent–we should start calling her the Stalinist Bee.

    2.) Colorado mass murdering weirdo: There’s no evidence that this guy is an example of “beta male rage” or “white male rage.” He apparently was upset that he flunked his final oral exams for his graduate degree, and was apparently also deeply into fantasy/comic books like a lot of young men in their 20s, and started to blur fantasy and reality. To someone with a shiny new hammer (aka “Whiskey”) everything they encounter looks like a nail! Really a sad case as apparently the shooter was a brilliant scientist who could have contributed a lot to the human contribution if he’d been more mentally stable. Also about he six-year-old girl who was killed–what were her parents THINKING? I would hesitate to let my almost-14-year-old daughter see The Dark Knight, let alone a six-year-old! Parents these days have no freakin’ sense at all.

  35. Also, Julie, it wasn’t zappos that I recommended for cheap clothes but labelshoppers.com. They are ultra-cheap but the selection is catch-as-catch-can and they tend to gouge on the shipping rates, so if you order from them, best order in a bundle to avoid being taken by the shipping rates.

    I ordered two wool coats from them and they are the warmest, best-quality coats I’ve ever had. They are Nicole Miller designer coats and I got them for $25 and $30 respectively; original retail price was $450. But labelshoppers is like Ross or TJ Maxx–they carry close-outs, irregulars, second-season etc. so if you are picky about being absolutely up-to-date on fashion they are not for you.

  36. I don’t really want to talk about this cause it makes me angry. But I will now cause you guys have brought it up. This guy, like the shooter of the Congress woman in AZ, new exactly what he was doing. Yeah he was nuts, but he made a choice. He chose to do evil. Fuck him. It just pisses me off to think about.

    But as for the whole beta thing, usually people as whacked out as this guy and the AZ guy aren’t particularly interested in women, so they aren’t going crazy cause they don’t have gfs.

    Now George Sodini on the other hand, if he could have gotten women he wouldn’t have gone on his rampage. He explicitly said that was why he did it. No, “game” would not have gotten him women and I have zero sympathy for him, but it was lack of women that drove him over the edge.

    The problem a lot of beta-omega’s like Sodini and many in the MRAsphere have is that they feel entitled to hot young sluts. I remember when I used to post on MRA boards trying to explain to some of them that just because they were “nice” to a girl did not mean that she had a moral obligation to let them bang her. I even brought up an analogy: if a woman who looked like Rosie O’Donnell was nice to you, would that mean you had to sleep with her? But despite all that they just couldn’t seem to understand the concept.

    So you have this horrible combination of asocial weirdness and sexual frustration mixed with a huge sense of entitlement and some guys just lose it. Fortunately, mass shootings are very rare and most just rant about their frustrations or resort to stalking whatever woman they currently happen to be obsessed with.

    exterminate immigrants

  37. If fat ugly women start going on mass shooting rampages, can we be sure that Whiskey and co will blog that attractive young men need to start dating frumy, middle aged women?

  38. Maria:

    I’ll bookmark that site if I HAVE to update my dreadful closet soon. Have you ever purchased from bluefly.com? Me & Fashion – not a love match!

    Bee is a Boozer. They are prone to irrational behavior and moodswings. Hug you one minute; bonking you over the head with a beer can the next.

  39. Otis:

    You are absolutely correct! (minus the exterminate immigrants)!!!

    “If fat ugly women start going on mass shooting rampages, can we be sure that Whiskey and co will blog that attractive young men need to start dating frumy, middle aged women?”

    NO. Whiskey would say if only they had married nice beta WHITE men in their early years (18-20), at their peak of fertility, (hottest, youngest, tightest), they would not have gone psycho. He would blame it on their hypergamy.

  40. Yeah I got a new coat for this winter this summer because it was last season and super discounted (who buys coats in the summer?) I’m not too picky about being up to date on fashion, as long as what I’m wearing fits and is cute. I usually get my more fashionable stuff at forever21 cuz it’s cheap and if it goes out of fashion I wasted 10 dollars, not hundreds.

  41. Julie: ITA about The Bee. When I was reading her semi-regularly (like 18 months ago) it struck me as odd how many posts she put up about booze, and also the many times she mentioned booze in the comments! I realized then that she was fond of the tipple and that accounted for a lot of her irrationality.

    She needs to get a real job. Her kids are grown and she’s still relatively young and educated–time to get off the booze, ditch the blogging nonsense and put that Wharton degree to good use. She could start a small business that provided jobs to a few unemployed Americans–more than 20 million at the last count! Instead she wallows in the manosphere nonsense and posts inane crap about the all-important “SMP.”

    SueBee, stop being such a useless whiner and start contributing to the economy!

  42. Stormy:

    I got a pair of distressed, stretch jeans at labelshopper for $10. They were of pretty good quality, but I have never heard of the brand name, but then I don’t care that much about being “trendy.”

    The whole brand name movement pisses me off royally–some famous brand like Abercrombie gets away with selling low-quality garbage just because their name is “hot” right now. It’s bullshit.

    But then again, we femals are the ones who pay for that status rip-off crap, so you can’t blame them for taking advantage of it!

  43. The whole brand name movement pisses me off royally–some famous brand like Abercrombie gets away with selling low-quality garbage just because their name is “hot” right now. It’s bullshit.
    But then again, we femals are the ones who pay for that status rip-off crap, so you can’t blame them for taking advantage of it!

    It’s not just women. Guys do it too. Think about all these guys who want a Rolex watch or Nike shoes. When I was a university student, I was always wearing cheap running shoes that lasted only one year so one year I decided to purchase Reebok running shoes, they cost three times more and they too lasted one year. :(

  44. That’s true, Mr No More but women are much worse at falling for the brand-name scam than men.

    I personally don’t mind pay big bucks for quality, but I hate paying big bucks for crap just because of the “cool” brand name.

    Coach leather goods are very expensive, but they last and last. I have a Coach purse that’s almost 20 years old that I still use every day. And a pair of Coach slide sandals that are still in perfect shape after 10 years.

    But brand name crap that’s expensive and falls apart in a year?–a curse on their house! It’s highway robbery! I wish more women would see the scam behind the “trendy” brand names.

  45. Downtown Abbey is Feminist propaganda. I don’t watch shows with strong female characters.

  46. Good lord, Whiskey writes that its Obama’s fault and that the girl who said, “I could never put my finger on it, but something told me to not get to close to him, female instincts I guess,”
    is now “no doubt” going to want to bang him since he’s become an alpha killer.

    Over at Half Sigma’s we get the following;

    “This girl is partially responsible for what happened today by furthering his social isolation. Nobody will ever point out that fact.”

    to which the following response came;

    “Was she supposed to give him a complimentary blowjob ? Why do men believe that having a hot piece of ass is their natural right?”

    And a poster named Justice Keeper says its the fault of the elites who created a system designed to “keep regular Joe’s at bay” over and over. “Keep regular Joe’s at bay”

    So everything is somebody else’s fault. There’s no such thing as personal responsibility.

  47. I hate Abercrombie. It’s stupid. You’re paying to advertise someone else’s clothes for them and it’s expensive.

    Longchamp has really sturdy, nice looking, waterproof tote bags. I say they’re worth their money. Coach is also pretty good.

    The one expensive clothing store I’m guilty of liking is J. Crew. :B The clothes are nice and good quality!

  48. I don’t believe that most of half sigma’s commentors agree that betas are entitled to hot young sluts.

    They blame the elites for everything at Half Sigma’s, that’s kind of the point of the blog. But anybody giving the whole “poor beta” spiel over there is a minority.

  49. I don’t believe that most of half sigma’s commentors agree that betas are entitled to hot young sluts.

    They blame the elites for everything at Half Sigma’s, that’s kind of the point of the blog. But anybody giving the whole “poor beta” spiel over there is a minority.

    There’s a lot of MRAs among HBDs.

  50. Colorado shooter was a nutter who was obsessed with Batman, just as I said yesterday:

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/23/batman-mask-and-poster-found-in-shooting-suspects-apartment/

    He had Batman stuff in his apartment and was banned from a shooting club for leaving weird Batman messages on the shooting club owner’s voicemail.

    Nothing to do with Obama,”Game”tards, MRA or HBD. Just a sad case of a lonely young guy who slipped from reality into fantasy.

  51. It’s only sad for the victims. I feel not a twinge of sympathy for what this guy.

    I would never massacre innocent people even in a fantasy. Anyone who fantasizes about killing people has something wrong with them even if they don’t act out on it.

    There are killers who I have sympathy for: people who have brain tumors that make them go nuts or people having a psychotic episode in response to to medication or something. This guy knew what he was doing. Just like the guy in AZ a couple of years ago*.

    *Giffords was a traitor who deserved it, she reaped what she sowed, but the people who were at the event didn’t.

  52. Giffords apparently thought it was okay for American citizens to be shot in the head by Latrino invaders. She was a whore who supported white (and black!) genocide and she had it coming. My sympathy is reserved for all the victims of criminals like Giffords, not for traitors.

  53. The Colorado Joker dude was high on a Vicodin overdose when he shot up all those people. He apparently took Vicodin because he wanted to die like Heath Ledger did. A sad weirdo.

  54. Its been months since trolled the man-o-fear and I forgot what comic relief provides.

    From Dalrock’s

    farm boy says:
    July 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    @TFH

    Have you considered using “hamster apocalypse” instead of “popping the misandry bubble”?

    Envision feral hamsters waddling around like zombies.”

    Hamster Apocolypse LOL!

    One guy is saying that women should not use tampons because it comprises their virginity.

    Someone else is pissed that it used to be only men who could have sex and move on to the next one, but since the invention of the pill, women can too!

    That’s what it all comes down to. These suckers are pissed that women can do what men have been doing for millenia.

    Tough titty!

  55. Manhood101 is a PUA site very well known in the manosphere. They have an ebook that say that all problems of mankind are caused by feminism so they are very popular among MRAs and they are seen as experts in social interaction. Here’s a video of a guy from Manhood101 trying to pickup two chicks :

    You won’t believe it.

  56. It’s one thing to have an opinion about immigration, but Giffords was actually trying to bring more Latrino filth into the country

  57. we can’t even tell if the chicks were hot

    I can’t tell how well he did, on one hand he managed to hold their interest, but on the other hand look at how bet his body language is. Chick in the yellow does not budge from her spot. He tries to establish spatial dominance and cannot do it. She isn’t intimidated by him. Not intimidated = not interested (unless she is a dominatrix).

    I can not stress how much I dislike it when guys shake the hands of the girls that they are hitting on. The ladies on here: do you agree that when a guy is hitting on you, shaking your hand is extremely lame or is this one just me?

    I think these chicks new he was doing some PUA stuff but found him tolerable enough to play along as a way to pass the time.

    There was this pretty cute chick who was inexplicably into me at this party on Saturday night and I thought I was going to end my 6 year dry spell without even trying but then we got in a huge fight before I could close the deal.

    The whole video is just proof that immigrants should be exterminated.

  58. The whole video is just proof that immigrants should be exterminated.

    Oh, shut up, Otis.

  59. A funny posting about PUAs :

    Gaming the cretinous PUA males
    by Dr. Anne Hauser Busch

    Lesson A. Fully grown human PUA males are all really just little boys in hairy, sweaty, smelly adult bodies. Males love to be baby-talked to and treated like a wittle child (which is why spoon-feeding like toddlers turns them on) and PUA-types especially resent having responsibilities because that makes them feel like ‘victims’ of some invisible ‘OZ’ out there trying to get something out of them. Gamer men are utterly infantile creatures at heart (which is why they are lead by their dicks so easily, not a whole lot going on upstairs 24/7 and prefer younger, naive women who won’t recognize how stupid and infantile they actually are). Males desire a mommy figure (who can conveniently fuck them). That’s why they make a big deal out of a woman who cooks/cleans/rears-children etc. because they are searching for their mommy figure to fulfill their innermost psychological need to fuck their mother and be taken care of by mommy. PUAs have a particularly huge mommy complex which gives them an especially warped love/hate towards all women in general (but, especially towards women who actually fuck them because even though they want mommy to fuck them, they have a hard time dealing with actually fucking the latest mommy figure). Male PUAs who actually know how to cook, clean and care for themselves will instantly expect YOU to take over that job if a ‘relationship’ actually develops by some miracle. DO NOT succumb to EVER doing things for little boy. If little boy can’t handle being a BIG boy, then, refer to lesson B. to show little boy that he needs to learn to be a man.

    Lesson B. Males love to be slapped or better, to have the excrement beaten out of them. This is why they watch so many violent sports where males hurt each other like boxing, hockey, rugby, football, martial arts, pro-wrestling etc. Males have fantasies of having the living crap beat out of them. It’s in their genes and in their hormonal make-up. This is why you need to stage a ‘crime’ scene set-up for an evening out with your PUA-mama’s-boy. Just hire a big, huge, muscular thug-type guy to demand your purse from you while you’re walking to your car from a night out with your whimpy PUA and watch the fun ensue as he gets pummeled for not manning up to the situation (because he’s a total loser, of course). Do not show ANY sympathy once all is said and done (and his lip is split and bleeding), do NOT ‘MOMMY’ him but instead exhibit pure disgust and then drive HIM home, drop his sorry ass off and ignore his calls and texts for the next month. If he never calls because he knows he’ll never live that down, good riddance. If he does come crawling back, be sure to rub it in his face what a limp little whimp he is whenever he refuses to do something on YOUR terms (this is a golden nugget you can bring up for as long as the ‘romance’ lasts).

    Lesson C. The majority of males are all whores (but, especially PUAs) and, yes, this is no big revelation but it bears repeating because women often want to put men on a pedestal as ‘KSAs” [Knights in Shining Armor] who are good and noble creatures and this just isn’t so. Males are downright vile and will stick their putrefied, infected penises in just about any hole within their immediate proximity (even another man’s mouth/anus if that’s all that is available in their current environment) and spread diseases willy-nilly without a care (or a condom). Male PUAs are narcissists who do not know how to genuinely love someone other than themselves (the self-love even being rather shallow and surface only) and usually he hates mommy (even though he wants to copulate with her at the same time).

    Lesson D. ALL (and I do mean ALL) PUA males are secretly gay or have VERY gay tendencies (which is also a part of their intense misogynistic psychosis towards women), which is why PUA males engage in “bromances” and prefer the company of men to women 9 times out of 10 unless it’s for what they lovingly refer to as “pump and dump” sex (one night stands with no respect for themselves or the woman they just had sex with). These men also love to mutually mentally masturbate about their ‘conquests’ to other men (it’s like a sewing-circle/circle-jerk hybrid gossip boi conversation between gays). These males will practically ejaculate all over each other regaling each other with stories that contain lurid, prurient details of the last ‘babe’ they ‘boned’ which is about the closest thing they can get to comparing each other’s penis-sizes without stripping naked and standing next to each other admiring and/or envying each other’s phalluses. These are the same men who will refer to women as “cum dumpsters” without realizing that they just referred to themselves and specifically their own sperm as ‘garbage’ [well, they ain’t too bright].

    Lesson E. Males are hypergamous AND polygamous. They’d prefer to have a harem or a posse of wives at their disposal (polygamy) but, since that kind of behavior is not allowed legally in most western societies they revert to their hypergamous natures (always changing up/upgrading their relationships with women [see Hugh Hefner] or cheating on their loving, loyal wives/girlfriends [see Prince Charles, Hugh Grant, Matthew Broderick, Mel Gibson, David Letterman, Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, JFK, James Cameron, Donald Trump, Michael Jordon, Morgan Freeman etc. ad infinitum]). Males always want to upgrade which is why an ugly guy thinks he can get himself a ‘10’ because he never wants to seek out a woman on his equivalent level of looks and personality, he ALWAYS wants a ‘TEN’ no matter how FUG he is. Males [no matter how hideous in looks and personality] are easily bored with just one woman because they are flighty, overly-emotional and have an ingrained attention deficit disorder (they need lots and lots of attention just like little babies) and they can become easily lost to the fantasy of the BBD (bigger, better deal). Males who could have the chance to cheat on a relationship and not get caught almost NEVER pass up the opportunity. Males are cum spurting opportunists who CHOOSE to have hardly any self-control when it comes to their penile mentalities and thus, they need to be reprimanded and punished on an almost constant basis to be reminded of how dishonest and evil and amoral they truly are as a species.

    Lesson F. Males age horribly because they lack the kind of collagen a woman has therefore they wrinkle deeper, go bald and get hideous guts (if they don’t work-out to fight it) and even develop breasts when their testosterone wanes with middle age. Males over age 40 go strictly downhill from there. Males who even consider themselves “PUAs” at this period in life are a lost cause. Don’t even bother. Any creepy guy at this age trying to employ the tired PUA tricks needs a pepper-spray directly to the eyeballs and a swift kick to the groin. Unfortunately, these are also the most desperate, aggressive, rude, wretched, outright obnoxious assholes because they’ve spent their entire lives ‘gaming’ and are now getting lonely and ancient with absolutely nothing going for them in life except for their refurbished ‘shaggin’ wagon’ and their ‘lonely heart’s club studio apartment’.

    Lesson G. Males who consider themselves PUAs are almost all on the homely/plain/doofus/creepy side, have stunted maturity and have no personality to speak of, are socially retarded and have bizarre mental/emotional issues with complicated homoerotic tendencies which border on the full-blown gay. These are the morons who are always in hot pursuit of the very type of women they love to hate (i.e. women who are players/users just like themselves or alpha women who have often spurned them in the past) which only (disastrously) serves to foster their deep-seated hatred of women and reinforces their warped view of all women as a whole gender. Even when these sad caricatures of ‘manhood’ try to fake ‘technique’ it always looks sort of tragic (like the first haircut you gave one of your Barbie dolls). And their faux confidence is a thin, frail façade which easily cracks under enough feminine pressure to test their real merit (which is always inevitably and irrevocably a big, fat ZERO [even in the negative sphere of blundering losership]). Which brings me to…

    Lesson H. PUA males should be rated in the negative 1 thru 10 because there’s not ONE male who considers himself a ‘PUA’ with ANY redeeming qualities whatsoever.
    So, let’s commence with the rating system:
    -1 = He’s semi-cute and tolerable for a month or two and MAYBE sex.
    -2 = He’s acceptable as a date when there’s nothing better to do but NO sex.
    -3 = He’s painfully inept but adequate enough to dance with at parties or club scenes.
    -4 = He’s annoying and won’t shut up about himself and not even semi-handsome AT ALL.
    -5 = He’s full-on retarded and his fake ‘style’ and pretend ‘confidence’ is a public embarrassment.
    -6 = He’s so ugly, untalented and lacking in the social graces that even his ‘wingmen’ keep their distance.
    -7 = He’s got online porn carpal tunnel syndrome for good reason and he smells weird.
    -8 = He’s in a corner drooling on himself and babbling incoherently about ‘kinos’.
    -9 = He’s so desperate he’s actually considering rape. Run. Don’t walk.
    -10 = Lost cause who should off himself and spare the world.

    Lesson I. PUA males are cheaters, users, liars, fakers, bad actors, socially inept, usually ugly with huge character flaws and emotional/mental abusers. Most aren’t worth the time of day to even communicate with (if you can call conversing with a ‘PUA’ an actual ‘conversation’) because no matter what you’re talking about with them they are essentially using whatever the current topic is to find ways to get your clothes off. If they are actually good looking enough to warrant a one-night stand (if you dare risk the skin-to-skin contact with such sleazy males who usually perform terribly in bed anyway because they have only one sole focus and that is what THEY are getting out of it, not pleasing YOU in any way, shape or form) then, at least you have been forearmed and forewarned. Frankly, these males need to be institutionalized and studied so that future young males can learn from the mistakes of the rotten eggs rather than promoting this disease ridden species and their sad-excuse-for-males ilk.

    http://www.foggybottomline.com/?p=487#comment-1579

  60. I think that is supposed to be a direct line by line parody of an actual PUA manifesto. Possibly even one by Roissy.

    Obviously PUA’s must really bother her if she went to all that effort to make a parody. That said, it was pretty well done.

    I want to comment on one thing though: Male PUAs who actually know how to cook, clean and care for themselves will instantly expect YOU to take over that job if a ‘relationship’ actually develops by some miracle.

    Uh, cooking and cleaning is the woman’s job. He is a man, she is just a woman. She needs to keep him happy.

  61. Regarding Aunt Sue and why she’s not putting her Wharton degree to use. I honestly think blogging is a mechanism to prevent herself from having an affair. Article after article says that extramarital affairs in women 40+ are not only on the rise but breaking the glass ceiling! They cite many reasons for this but if you stroll through the SAHM blogs of mostly Christian women who at first dabbled in the Manosphere before they started their own blogs, its pretty clear these women LOVE the male attention and they openly e-flirt with all the guys and post food porn and menu porn to lure them. I mean, who the hell needs to put up in a comment or blog what the hell they plan on making for dinner over the next 7 days or what they made for breakfast the last 3? They all fish for compliments like “good to know there are still some good solid women like you out there who know how to take care of their man!”

    Their love affair with the “manosphere” ended when surprise, surprise some of the men got sick of them fishing for compliments on their blogs and began to curse them in foul language. That’s when these good Christian ladies retreated and opened their own blogs where they could flirt with Christian men while their Christian hubbies were at work.

    These are bored women at home who put about an hour and half worth of time in “homeschooling” their kids, and then kick back with a cuppa and comment on more benevolent men’s blogs all day, linking to their own blogs so that the e-flirting can escalate there.

    Anyway, if you read the posts that Sue wrote in the first year or so of HOOKING UP SMART its pretty clear her agenda was to promote the lifestyle she led in college, riding the exotic foreign exchange student carousel, having sex on the back emergency steps of the library, etc and then after education is complete, settle down with a good all-American provider type boy of slightly higher socio-economic status.

    In other words, she was teaching her female readership how to hook up smart. Have all the fun and take home the good guy at the end of the day.

    Yes, in the first year of her blog she was very pro-female and very open about encouraging her female readership, however small, to follow her lead.

    Then came the Manosphere. Once MRAs started commenting, because she was unfamiliar with them and their concerns and thinking they were outliers and fringe lunatics, she plowed through for Team Woman. But then she lost her female readership, however small, and the only readers were these guys so she did an about turn and began courting them.

    Only now that its backfired does she take a firm stand but for a long while she was promoting their views, downplaying her past, and slut shaming.

    The only reason she slut shames is because she is no longer able to have the sex she wants with the guys she wants like she did in college.

    Which brings me to the point – her blog is her way of staying relevant to men. She needs confirmation that she’s still “got it” and she uses the blog for that, rather than go out and have an affair, which by the way is given as one of reasons middle aged wife affairs are skyrocketing – the women need confirmation that they are still appealng to men.

  62. your all over the place, if she is all about the male attention, why is she now scorning the MRA types?

    She seems more starved for just attention in general than for male attention in particular.

  63. your all over the place, if she is all about the male attention, why is she now scorning the MRA types?

    She wanted to attract women at the beginning but she was not able to attract them, when MRAs showed up, she loved the attraction she got from them, but now there are women on her blog and she wants to get rid of MRAs. These middle-aged women who want an affair will slut-shame other women who are more attractive than them but they don’t want all women (including them) to be slut-shamed and they are not submissive to men.

  64. And it explains why these women are constantly saying that women with children or women above 30 cannot attract men : these women are jealous. And it explains why these women constantly say that women are hypergamous – they don’t want an affair with the delivery man, they want an affair with a guy who look like George Clooney and they can’t.

  65. Good summation of La Bee’s situation, there, Desi!

    Also, don’t forget, “she likes the tipple.”

    About those Christian flirty hausfrau blogs: what happened to Alte? Dammit, I miss Menu Monday!

  66. Poor Alte. A degree in engineering and reduced to writing about Menu Mondays. Then there’s crazy dana, a degree in law and writing about stuffed peppers. Alte has little kids so no wonder she wants to stay home, but dana doesn’t and Sue’s kids are grown. They need to get together and start up a company to put people back to work. Instead they just whine about nothing on the Internet.

    Speaking of the Bee’s homeboyz, I note that Mike C. is back in da fold. Just couldn’t keep away from the beloved Aunt Sue. Maybe his HB-10 “alpha” girlfriend dumped him and he’s looking for some slut-shaming solace from the Bee.

  67. Yep, poor Alte! Married to a cold, unemotional man who was looking for a breeder and cook; possessed of a good mind with no outlet other than overanalyzing her marriage online and writing about obscure Catholic doctrine.

    Headed for cray-cray town. Doctor – I need a little something to calm down!

    Alte also enjoys the tipple.

  68. Stormy is now entering super bitch mode:

    I commented on emma the emo’s blog. Mostly to point out the irony of a woman dating a freak criticizing a serial monogamist and calling her a slut…seriously wtf. Sleeping with more than one man isn’t shameful, dating a freak like arpagus, and saying he’s the only man you’ve been with? Now that’s embarrassing. Was that all she could get? Says something about her.

    And Dana is a fucking cunt. You know what I find so ironic about the sphere? That men will pedastalize masculine women who are absolute bitches just because these women hate other women. You ever think the reason these women don’t get along with their own gender isn’t because women suck but because other women realize these women (like Dana, etc.) suck? Seriously, what cunts. I hate them.

    There are some women in the sphere I don’t always agree with but respect because they are intelligent and very, very sweet, and they, for the most part, practice what they preach. Though I haven’t seen them bashed here so maybe that’s for a reason. ;)

    /bitch mode

  69. They don’t actaully padestalize them tough. If crazy dana or Alte doesn’t toe the line all the way, they will cut them out unmercifully. You have to agree with every single thing they believe in, or you are dead meat.

    A lot of political, cultural, and religious fanatics are that way, not just MRAs or HBDers.

  70. Not at all familiar with Dana. Emma: any woman that would get involved with “Asparagus” is a cray-cray herself and she’s probably scared off every guy she met. What if she and Rapey Berg manage to breed? Aaiiiieeeeeee! I feel bad for her though; she’s headed for some seriously awful experiences.

    I can think of a couple other female misogynists chasing around the manofear: Suz and CL (use to be Thag Jones). These two combat-boot wearing lady thugs are loaded for bear 24/7 against all female commenters. No male anywhere, for any reason, is to be criticized.

    CL – what a sad trip she is! Here’s a couple of her comments I found while poking around on the MMSL new forum.

    _____________________________

    “My dad is 76 and even he says things like “But she’s 50!” about some woman who showed some interest and then has women not much older than me (I’m 40) interested in dating him – but he’s not interested in having a woman come into his life to tell he’s got too much junk around or he spends too much time reading blogs or he works too much or he’s insensitive or basically eating up all his time. Not that he hasn’t thought about it or wouldn’t like the companionship, but that when he thinks about it, it just isn’t worth the sacrifice and effort to woo some old broad with whom he has no history. Bottom line: You’ll have to make yourself very pleasant to be around, then be willing to serve a man and stay out of his way. No nagging, no pestering, no complaining. ”

    _____________________________

    Her idea of a good relationship is just serve and get out! Sounds like a banquet waitress at the Holiday Inn. Daddy sounds just as charming as his daughter.

  71. I see that loon “jack” showed up at Eivand’s girlfriend’s blog as well. I wonder if he is crazy dana’s husband? He sounds a lot like her.

    The way crazy dana talks about her beloved “blue-collar” macho husband, I always picture him as looking and acting just like Al Bundy.

    Anybody else ever think that about him?

  72. It’s really terrible we “know” about these people, isn’t it?

    Is this the same, really belligerant Jack that has posted on Dalrocks and a few others? He can’t possibly be married.

  73. Julie, dana is seriously crazy. She once wrote on a blog that if a potential Sodini wanted to get his rage out, he should go down to the ghetto and shoot black ghetto people instead of nice middle-class white girls. “Coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs” doesn’t even begin to describe her.

    I don’t know CL, but I remember that Thag Jones person from The Bee’s blog of a couple of years ago. Yeah, a truly unpleasant character all around. And what kind of a pseud is “Thag Jones” anyways–sounds very masculine to me!

  74. Julie, I think it is the same “jack” from Dickrock’s, The Spermhead and Fartiste’s.

  75. Not at all familiar with Dana. Emma: any woman that would get involved with “Asparagus” is a cray-cray herself and she’s probably scared off every guy she met

    I dunno, she’s kinda cute. Nothing special by Russian standards but definitely still bangable. I’d call her a six. Especially if she’d lose like 10 lbs. And I bet you she is a fucking freak in bed. She’s also very loyal apparently, that’s a good trait for a girlfriend.

    Dana is legit crazy. I see her differently from other women in the sphere because while she is anti woman, she is also just anti people. She hates everybody but mainly vents against women when she is on sphere blogs. If she was on HBD blogs she would just vent against blacks and if she was on conservative blogs she would just bash Democrats/liberals.

    Her idea of a good relationship is just serve and get out!

    That’s what most guys want. If you don’t like it you don’t have to be with guys or you can find one of the few men who respects women.

    I agree about the other women of the sphere mentioned. I don’t get why they even hang out in the sphere. Most guys in the manosphere are awful and extremely beta. They bore me and I’m a guy so I can’t understand why any intelligent woman (except for Dana, who’s nuts) would want to hang around them.

  76. Thag Jones or CL as she calls herself now used to post at the Spermhead long ago when I used to read it. She outdid the boys in the wimmenz hatin’ and always managed to put in a plug for herself – she never acted like all those OTHER women; perfect, wonderful Thag. To be honest, she came across like the real butch type of lesbian who would much prefer to be a man and is uncomfortable around other women. But like Desi has said, she got a good ass-chewing from one of the regular male posters who got tired of her ass-kissing, and she disappeared from that site.

    She has her own blog now and it’s strange! She recently asked for peoples’ opinions in regards to breastfeeding a child as old as five years. She did that with her own two daughters; more as a “comforting” mechanism than actual feeding.

    Mmm…I remember snuggling with my own mommy at that age, but I never flipped up her blouse to grab a boob and latch on.

  77. Julie I just looked briefly at her blog. A religious nut-case and apparently into BDSM as well. I feel for the daughters.

    My own mother was a very religious Catholic but she never would have told me that women were inferior to men or that men were made in the image of God but women weren’t. Yet these are the views being aired on CL’s blog.

    I don’t care though. If you stay away from these people, you don’t have to worry about their looney views. Reading their blogs too much is hazardous to your mental health :)

  78. “lol we’re so gossipy.”

    HENS! it could be worse – at least I don’t tipple! (love that word, Maria).

  79. I could, of course, “do better” and get a different guy, but my tastes are what they are, which means I’m mostly reserved for desperate sexless betas. I’m not, in fact, against sluttiness, because riding the omega cock carousel could be a lot of fun in theory. The only reason why I messed with Dana a bit, was because she is a massive hypocrite on every site she comments on, and was far from pleasant to me and kept insisting it’s not okay to complain about anything at all, as long as you have food on the table. That’s why I brought up animal’s rights (“YOU are okay, so why care about others anyway?”).

    I’m actually not that bad :) Not violent, not harmful, not sure what you dislike me for. All I did was help out a poor cute sex-starved guy. But.. no good deed goes unpunished? I know it’s tempting to go into bitch mode, but I don’t.

  80. crazy dana would have told him to shoot black people instead. And yes, crazy dana is always rendered in lower case, as she can’t be bothered to use punctuation and capitalization, just like Fartiste. That’s why I used to think that crazy dana and Fartiste were the same people.

  81. I don’t think that The Realist (whom you clashed with on your site) and crazy dana are the same person, Emma. crazy dana is a whole other issue. crazy dana would like your boyfriend a lot :)

    Julie, crazy dana had a blog at one time, and still may have it, but I don’t remember what it was called, otherwise I’d point you to it. I doubt that it was called “crazy dana’s site.” :)

    She commented at Lady Raine’s site for a while under the pseud “STFU” (charming!) but that may have been before you showed up.

  82. Chic noir was friendly with crazy dana in those days, despite the fact that dana wants to wipe out black people (or at least the ones from the ghetto.) She may have a link to dana’s site at her blog.

  83. Dana said she was a rebellious jewish kid who became a punk rocker misanthrope drug taker in her teens. She’s Jewish and on the offense about it because so much of the manosphere and hbdsphere is anti-jew. So what she does is placate them and criticise jews right along with them, hoping they’ll pat her on the end, the same she does with women, bashing women to get kudos from the women-haters out there.

    She’s got some seriously fucked up identity issues.

    She cursed one commenter out for being “neuro-typically female” and didn’t even know if it was a he or she. Its obvious she’s pretty uncomfortable being both a Jew and a Woman.

    If the commenter was a woman, what should she be “neuro-typically male”? I think its obvious Dana was not considered attractive and not popular with boys in her teens, most punk rock girls are not, thats why they go punk and now she’s hating on all the pretty women like the manosphere hates on the “alpha males”

    Its sour grapes.

    The Manosphere gets a collective boner over male-identified women like Camille Paglia and other lesbians who tell heterosexual women how to get and keep men!!!!

    LOL. These lesbians should woman up and swallow their own medicine and turn straight and get and keep men.

    The manosphere falls all over these women.

    I’m telling you these men are confused about their sexual identity and that is why they are attracted to masculine gay women who hate on hetero women.

    Its all so bizarre even Freud and Jung wouldn’t be able to figure these nutters out.

  84. Yes, they do love Camille Paglia, don’t they?

    A Voice for Men has a boner for an out lesbian named Girl Writes What who posts videos; I’ve only managed to watch for a minute or so before I get bored and quit it. A strange, strange woman! There’s another strange woman named Typhon Blue who posts like someone on the crack pipe.

    One of those idiot guys who posts there told these two that men would be lining up at their door because they were real women, good women!

    Hey buddy, they’re lesbians; they don’t want you!!!

  85. Drug abuse causes chromosomal damage and mutations; this may be the root of crazy dana’s problem. :)

  86. “One of those idiot guys who posts there told these two that men would be lining up at their door because they were real women, good women!”

    Yeah but if they were heterosexual women they most likely would not be spouting off MRA-friendly ideology.

    “Hey buddy, they’re lesbians; they don’t want you!!!”

    These dudes bombed out with heteros therefore they’re trying to ply their trade with homos.

  87. Okay, I poked around there for 90 seconds…that’s all I need to know about crazy dana. Wooo-wooo-wooo! Get out the special white jacket with the funny sleeves.

  88. I’m actually not that bad Not violent, not harmful, not sure what you dislike me for. All I did was help out a poor cute sex-starved guy. But.. no good deed goes unpunished? I know it’s tempting to go into bitch mode, but I don’t.

    I stood up for you. You should “help out” me next.

    I don’t think anybody here dislikes you, they just think you’re insane.

    most punk rock girls are not

    Does the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo count? She’s hot. I don’t know if she’s punk in real life though.

    So what she does is placate them and criticise jews right along with them

    I don’t think so. I’ve seen her bash women and blacks plenty but never seen her mention Jews.

  89. Otis and Emma would make a cute couple.

    I kind of feel bad about being an asshole about Emma. I’ve been feeling like an asshole recently. Someone even sent me a text two days ago calling me an asshole. It’s actually the funniest text I’ve ever received. I’m saving it.

  90. crazy dana once called me a “dumb gash” in the comments at Fartiste’s. It didn’t hurt my feelings, though, because she’s too crazy to take seriously. She definitely needs an intervention.

    Too bad you can’t have people committed in the U.S. anymore. Her Al Bundy husband would definitely have cause, but then he’s probably just as nuts as she is.

  91. I don’t think so. I’ve seen her bash women and blacks plenty but never seen her mention Jews.

    dana doesn’t bash jews, I agree. She’s not a self-hating hebe.

  92. Anyone here ever see Alte’s “rules for posting” she updated at her blog wherein she stated female posters must show proper reverence for male posters?

    She did that when e-flirting between other the other females and male commenters on her blog reached a feverish pitch, in a bid to lure the men back under her wing (Alte you’re always on our side) and to ban at will any female commenter she thought the men might become attracted to.

    She wanted a citadel with her enshrined as Empress and exclusively male serfs at her beck and call.

    She particularly banned the 20 something female commenters.

  93. Yes she did. She sucked up to Roissy on his blog when he made passive aggressive comment about elite Jews. She also wrote on a pro-white HBD blog that if “the American people decide one day that they want to ship all Jews to Israel then I would comply because this is their country first and foremost”

    And also made comments on her blogs trying to humurously deflect Roissy’s comments about Jews by saying, “I admitted to Roissy that I’m a jewy-jew-jew”.

    It was a major issue with her. I can’t ever imagine standing on the side of people who wish my people dead. There’s some serious self-loathing going on there.

  94. Nobody wishes Desis dead. Maybe some people wish they would go home but Desis aren’t really the type of people anybody hates.

    You know who i really am starting to hate though? Asian asians. Americanized Asians are great, I love em. But unassimilated Asians are so fucking annoying. I hate their small bone structure and their stupid sounding “ching chang chong” languages. Shut the fuck up you slant eyed bastards. I hate the way they are always giggling like schoolgirls.

    Anyone here ever see Alte’s “rules for posting” she updated at her blog wherein she stated female posters must show proper reverence for male posters?

    She did that when e-flirting between other the other females and male commenters on her blog reached a feverish pitch, in a bid to lure the men back under her wing (Alte you’re always on our side) and to ban at will any female commenter she thought the men might become attracted to.

    How does the first relate to the second. You lose me again.

  95. Anyone see any similarity between Dana’s old comments and this CL character ( who someone said is “Thag Jones” )?

    I discovered CL today on Dalrock’s blog, just a while after your comments about her here.

    She popped on Dalrock’s blog in a really obnoxious way jumping on a commenter she, again, ASSUMED was female, and just because she thought she was the only other female commenter at the time, ripped into her about an adjective she used in her/his comment, not addressing the point of the comment but ripping on her/him over a damned adjective, used to describe a female in a positive way.

    It was short, abrupt, creepy, weird and jealous, like the comments I remember seeing Dana leave here and there at random, having nothing to do with any actual point.

    I swear, these “women” (and we are also assuming they are women and not men trolling as women, which I’m thinking is now a possibility), absolutely cannot STAND IT when they hear someone compliment another female even in passing.

    Whew!

    And then when the same commenter agreed with her on something else, she wrote, “puh-lese honey, don’t try and ride in on my coattails”

    WTF?

    I forgot how hilarious these people could be since my 3 month vacation. They take themselves and commenting on blogs waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

  96. dana is not CL–completely different backgrounds and posting styles. CL is a blue-collar Catholic mother; dana is a highly paid professional and Jewish with no children.

    dana also can’t be bothered to punctuate and capitalize like a normal person.

  97. Does “that jones” mean something? Sounds weird.

    Yeah I found a few comments by CL and whenever another women appears to agree with men and the men with her, CL is on it like white on rice to dismantle the agreement and make it look like only she understands what they men are saying and only she is the pro-male female.

    BIZARRE.

    The husbands of these women must be really unhappy.

  98. I found a few comments left by CL aka Thag Jones here and there and notice whenever a female commenter is getting kudos and thanks from the men for “understanding us”, CL is on it like white on rice to prove how really that woman didn’t understand them but she did.

    PS: what is the meaning of “thag jones”… is it a cultural meme?

  99. Does everyone here know about WomanFreebies.com? They send you emails every day telling you how to sign up for free samples.

    Very useful for skin lotions, shampoos, and perfume, and some household products.

  100. I had never heard of the Vendee Civil War until I read a history of Women of the French Revolution a few years ago. More than a million French country people were slaughtered (often in very cruel ways) just because they supported the Catholic church and the monarchy.

    We never hear about this in the books and movies about the French Revolution; it’s all about aristocrats being beheaded in Paris.

    The Vendee showed that utopian political ideals can have a very high body count, and it’s not always “right wing fascists” doing the killing as the news media and cinema keep telling us.

  101. “PS: what is the meaning of “thag jones”… is it a cultural meme?”

    I have no idea; never heard of the name. My guess it’s her private masturbatory fantasy of a super he-man woman hater who will dominate her and fulfill her BSDM fantasies. Indiana Jones wearing black leather ass-less chaps and wielding a flogger.

    She’s a religious nut-job combined with the “Taken in Hand” shit – “spank me Daddy, spank me!”

    Head check needed in aisle 10!

    Maria – I already sent for a few freebies on that mooch site – thanks!

  102. The Vendee showed that utopian political ideals can have a very high body count, and it’s not always “right wing fascists” doing the killing as the news media and cinema keep telling us.

    It’s not the only bloodshed that happened during the French revolution : The Reign of Terror (1793-1794) sent more than 16000 people to the guillotine and 25000 more were executed. At that time, France had the equivalent of a Communist government.

  103. I don’t think the Reign of Terror happened in the mid 90′s.

    Indiana Jones wearing black leather ass-less chaps and wielding a flogger.

    Gross out. Thanks for the image.

    most victims of the Reign of Terror actually weren’t aristocrats.

  104. In the comments section of Arpagus blog, there’s an interesting discussion between Emma The Emo and other people. A feminist said she invited MRAs to discuss their concern and they didn’t answer.

    Emma: I am a feminist and I invited Eivind and Men’s Rights Activists to discuss their concerns and the source of the Feminist – Anti-Feminist problem: A Proposal for defining the Feminist vs Anti-Feminist Problem. Invitations sent to: Alpha Game :: Heartiste (Not Published) :: Danger and Play :: FlyFresh and Young :: InMalaFide :: DalRock (Not Published) :: Married Man SexLife :: Paradigm Shift :: Tao of Dirt (Not Published) :: Lost Art of Self Preservation :: SpearHead :: Whisky’s Place.

    None of them were interested in the conversation!!!

    There are some victims who wish to be helped or to confront the source of their victimhood and to stop being victims…

    Then there are victims who hide behind some victimology story, in order to garner themselves a following, or publicity or some form of host for their ‘victimology parasitism’.. these avoid any attempts to solve the source of their so-called ‘victimhood’ problem, since solving it will remove the host for their ideological, physical or emotional parasitism opportunities!!

    I really thought Eivind was the former….

    I attempt to give all victims I come across the benefit of the doubt.. they are the former, until they prove they are the latter.

    What do you think?

    http://eivindberge.blogspot.ca/2012/05/thoughts-on-trial.html?commentPage=2

  105. I wish I had seen that offer, I would have taken her up on it. I am ready to debate any Feminist, anytime, anyplace.

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  107. Mr No More, Like most cities of a fairly decent size in California, Anaheim is a violent, gangbanger-infested shit-hole with forty, fifty gangbanger shootings a year. The cops get trigger happy once in a while. They got trigger happy and shot someone, and now the gangbanber underclass is rioting.

    Anaheim was beautiful, peaceful, middle-class suburb when Walt Disney decided to locate Disneyland there. It’s now a Third World toilet in most areas, just like in most larger California cities (and many smaller ones.)

    San Bernardino, another formerly decent Southern California city of about 200K people, is another gang-banger infested hellhole. They filed for bankruptcy protection a couple of weeks ago. They have a higher murder per-capita murder rate than Chicago, and half the population is on welfare.

    It was a blue-collar town, but it was nice, back in the 60s and 70s. Working class people could buy modest homes and send their kids to safe, clean, good schools. Mexican gangbangers and illegal immigrants (and the piece of shit politicians who kiss their asses) completely destroyed it.

  108. It’s not the only bloodshed that happened during the French revolution : The Reign of Terror (1793-1794) sent more than 16000 people to the guillotine and 25000 more were executed. At that time, France had the equivalent of a Communist government.

    That’s true Mr No More but the Reign of Terror is well-known (Tale of Two Cities, The Scarlet Pimpernel etc). The Vendee massacres slaughtered hundreds of thousands of some of the poorest people in France, and they aren’t well-known. In addition, they were slaughtered by the very people who claimed to represent “libertie, egalitie and fraternitie.”

    The stories I read of the thousands of Vendee rebels being chained together and thrown into the Loire creep me out. What happened to their remains? I can’t believe they were fished out and buried decently–they were mostly just poor peasants. It creeps me out to think that the bones of thousands of people still lie at the bottom of the Loire to this day.

  109. Oh, I must correct myself, it was two shootings, not one. Both were Mexican gangbangers with records of violence. One of them was shot because he shot first at police.

    I’m past blaming the cops for this. No it isn’t right, but I’ve seen nice town after nice town in my homeland invaded by these Third World savages and completely destroyed. Then they whine and moan about how unfair it is that they live in a barrio shithole while whitey lives in “nice areas.” They never seem to realize that their barrio shithole WAS a “nice area” before they swarmed in, broke numerous laws, and destroyed it.

    Orange County was a near-paradise for average families, up until around the late 1990s. Affordable housing, beautiful weather, decent schools, beautiful public parks and public swimming pools, no crime.

    Now it’s just an extension of the phucked-up, poverty stricken, incompetent, totally corrupt nation we unfortunately share a border with it.

  110. Hey, no more, can you do a review of the game Slender? It’s free online and it’s a horror game.

  111. Maria:

    Is your city in the same godawful situation as these two? I know you’ve said you can’t afford to take a loss on selling your house but can you and your family handle living the rest of your lives in such a state of affairs?

    What do you forsee happening for California? It doesn’t seem like anyone has any solutions – certainly not the politicians (har!).

    Stormy: Saw you over at Thag’s “End Days” bunker! It’s not surprising she was amused by my ass-less chaps comment.

    There is NOTHING funnier than a man in ass-less chaps.
    http://www.wheresmyglow.com/2011/02/mappy-birthday.html#.UBGnj46Toso

  112. Why do people join gangs? Better to work at a low paying job and be safe than make bank risking your life selling drugs or killing people on behalf of lunatics.

  113. If I were the husbands of these women, Thug Jones, S. Walsh, Dana, Alte, etc, I WOULD BE MAD AS HELL that my wife is online flirting with other men and bragging about past sexual escapades, public no less.

    Either these husbands don’t exist (I think 7man is just an online imagination of CL, and I highly doubt Dana’s husband exists or even if she’s a she to beginwith), or they are very sad, depressed men (in the case of Alte and Walsh’s).

    I would never allow my spouse or live in partner to spend so much time online. NEVER.

  114. If Stormy had used an obvious guy name, Thug (CL) would have been in agreement.

    The first rule of Thug Club is:
    “No man is ever wrong; no woman is ever right!”

  115. Why do people join gangs? Better to work at a low paying job and be safe than make bank risking your life selling drugs or killing people on behalf of lunatics.

    It’s probably better to be a gangster in the US than to be a gangster in Mexico – more money to make and better prisons.

  116. It’s not an online game. It’s a game you download for free online. It shouldn’t take too long to go through one playthrough.

  117. I already have used a guy name in the manosphere (when I first came, before assuming a female name) and I’d get high fives from roissy based on some additions I gave him to some pop psychology quiz he had posted on his site. The funny part? The reason I knew all those questions and the “true meanings” behind the answers was because I learned that pop psych quiz in middle school…when my friends and I would use them on one another. The manosphere has always been a joke.

  118. CL just used typical woman tactics to bring the drama to her blog. Then she denounces women. It’s cute.

    Her whole obsession with BDSM is a bit odd. Why should you care if the church accepts your sexual style? If that’s what you want to do, do it, and stop bitching about it. Your sex life is no one’s damn business but your partner’s.

  119. NMMNG, you’ve got a pingback on your site from that thuggish dominitrix’s blog? SRSLY? Yo.

  120. Yeah, the BDSM scene is overrun with aging, out of shape, fat and bald women and men both.

    There’s no hot young ass found anywhere in that scene, its like nude beaches in the US.

  121. Thug Jones admits to being an unattractive divorcee with low self esteem who can’t attract a quality man her own age;

    “I’m 40 as well and I wouldn’t expect a 40 year-old man (who isn’t insane or stupid) to go for me. I suppose I am blessed with some kind of internal sense that I’d be holding a good man back and if he’s not much good then I wouldn’t have respect for him, so that’s the catch-22. I like older men anyway (married younger though – big mistake). I also knew at 34 when my marriage went tits up that my pool would be much smaller than it had been before I married, so I just stayed out of the game completely for 3 years, apart from idly checking out a couple of the free dating sites (never met anyone off them).

    All these women do is diddle themselves out of the opportunity to meet men that would be good for them. At 38 or so I decided I’d be best looking for late 40s/early 50s, maybe up to 55. And I even look fairly young for my age! It’s ridiculous how much women expect sometimes – single moms expect to find a millionaire handyman or something. LOL They seem to be awfully materialistic too – all those dating profiles that say things like “you must be gainfully employed” – WTF? Yeah, a job is good, but sheesh, jobs come and go. I’m sure a man finds those requirements ever so charming though! Maybe I’m just an old romantic fool… ”

    Don’t know about romantic, but she’s an old fool, alright.

    A few comments below that one she admits that men have never come to her rescue, i.e., whiteknighted here, ever…

    ” I can’t stand White Knights and have seen a few of those off in my time blogging (they don’t like me much either and tend not to come to my ‘rescue’).”

    So here we have it folks, as with Dana, she’s a thuggish, masculine woman with low self esteem who the boys, and later men, never liked and who could never attract the attention or love of a quality man her own age, so she spends her time dissing the pretty, feminine women online.

    Sigh.

    Well, as least she knows her SMV in the SMP. Susan Walsh would be proud.

    Interesting how she says she banned fellow Christian compatriot Alte on her blog as well. Maybe Alte was too pretty and too feminine? Maybe she’s too Black? Too Catholic? Anti BDSM? Not ass kissing enough?

    Who knew there were ruffles in the ranks of Team Submissive Xtian Wife?

  122. “There’s no hot young ass found anywhere in that scene”

    This is so sad, it makes me want to TIPPLE!

    I’ve seen some “gallery” shots at the local naturist websites in our area; (I was curious, okay? they were in a local paper’s lifestyle section and I visited online) – same story. The last people you’d ever want to see barenaked! Also looked at some local “swingers” websites (again, just curious, okay?) – ay, yi yi!

    And the thing is, they don’t allow any liquor (usually) at their gatherings. How could anyone “engage” with those people without massive amounts of booze?!?

  123. If these women (Thuggie and Alte) are as smart as they claim, they need to put their brilliant minds to better use than bickering with and banning each other in the online Christianosphere.

    Let us not forget that ALTE IS A BLACK WOMAN MARRIED TO A WHITE GERMAN MAN.

    Part of her frustration is common to many interracial marriages of the Black Woman/Non-Black Man variety — they are jonesing for Black Dick.

    That’s part of the reason Alte posts pics of unattractive Nordic and Germanic men with decent enough bodies but ugly faces. She’s trying too hard to convince herself and prove to others that she really is attracted to her husband.

    It must also suck for her that all the men that comment on her blog are unnattractive white guys as well. She should frequent the Black Christian Blogs for her chocolate fix, but then again, there are no Catholic ones.

  124. I downloaded and tried to play Slender. It’s more dumb than horrific. You are in the forest at night with a flashlight and you need to pick up 8 items. Something with a blank face is behind you and follow you. If you see it, you lose the game. No violence or blood – you see it : game over.

  125. Thug Jones is in a Catch 22. The traditionalist, Christian men would find her most repugnant and unfeminine (“tits up – diddle?”); the secular men would be turned off by the religious fundamentalism, and the BSDM is another thing.

    She’s quite a mixed bag.

    I never would have thought listing “gainfully employed” was asking for too much in a man.

  126. NMMNG, how did Thuggie pingback you? Wonder how he/she/it found out we were talking about it here? You should ping her back.

  127. NMMNG, how did Thuggie know to ping you? Who alerted him/her/it to this blog?

    Julie, that’s the thing, the online manosphere is the last refuge of the traditionally UNattractive woman who was never pursued or whiteknighted by men. That’s why she can related to the MRAsphere, she’s just as much a reject as they are.

    Blame society, feminism, Obama, atheism, blah, blah, blah. Anything to avoid looking in a mirror, in both the literal and figurative sense.

    “Gainfully employed” – since when has that become a bad thing or too much to ask? Thug and 7 inch man must be on welfare/unemployment and foodstamps.

    Oh yeah – blame Obama!

  128. Yikes, desi, but you are right. In the past few years I’ve been surprised at the number of middle aged women that have attempted to compete with me, or said nasty remarks about my appearance within earshot to their pudgy daughters. Great example their setting.

    Also reminds me of ugly/fat girls that have a chip on their shoulder to girls that are thinner. I’m petite and wear size 2, sometimes size 0 dresses, so I know exactly what that’s like. What I can’t stand are people who assume that your life is so blessed and that you must have it so good and don’t you think you’re something. It’s like holy shit I have my own problems and my own worries and my own concerns and I got where I got by working my ass off. Life isn’t that much easier for me because I’m marginally more attractive than the next person. I still have to study, work, and do all the things a normal person does. No one just has it so perfect or so easy. We’re all human.

    I just wish people like that would stop looking over the fence and start tending their own yard.

  129. The funny part? The reason I knew all those questions and the “true meanings” behind the answers was because I learned that pop psych quiz in middle school…when my friends and I would use them on one another. The manosphere has always been a joke.

    You have a link to this convo? Do you remember what name you posted under?

    Life isn’t that much easier for me because I’m marginally more attractive than the next person.

    Lol, you are “marginally” more attractive than the next person? Uh huh.

    You are “marginally more attractive” than Katy Perry. Beautiful people don’t know what it is like to be normal looking or fugly. If the worst thing that happens to you is some normies hate on you, that’s a pretty small price to pay.

    Life isn’t that much easier for me

    It isn’t about that. Beauty is a value in and of itself. This is particularly true for women because a woman has no value apart from her looks.

  130. Julie, Maria, Desi: why are you guys picking on that chick? sounds like she has plenty of problems as it is.

  131. It looks like you only made one post.

    I never would have thought listing “gainfully employed” was asking for too much in a man.

    Hispanic women don’t expect their men to be employed. Even the hot, young slutty ones. Hispanic women ftw.

  132. Yeah, the BDSM scene is overrun with aging, out of shape, fat and bald women and men both.

    There’s no hot young ass found anywhere in that scene

    And you know this how?

  133. The Spearhead’s latest blog is about how the girl from Twilight cheated on her boyfriend. And this is news, how? And this will further “mens rights” how? Yes, W.F Price wrote an entire blog about Hollywood gossip, on a site that complains how women are pop and celeb culture obsessed.

    I had never even heard of these people til I read about them in the man-o-fear.

  134. Is your city in the same godawful situation as these two? I know you’ve said you can’t afford to take a loss on selling your house but can you and your family handle living the rest of your lives in such a state of affairs?

    What do you forsee happening for California? It doesn’t seem like anyone has any solutions – certainly not the politicians (har!).

    No, Julie, I live in a “nice” (read very expensive area) which my husband and I couldn’t afford to live in until I was forty years old. We are Swipples living with other Swipples (on paper, at least.) But the plague may reach even my town, as Sacramento is currently about to pass legislation that will make the whole state a “sanctuary” for illegals–today it’s just individual cities and towns that have declared themselves “sanctuaries” for illegals. (They are all the worst, most gang-plagued cities and towns, of course. Fancy that!)

    In which case the equity in my house goes down to zero and we live in the same situation as the long time residents of formerly “nice” Anaheim, formerly “nice” Bell Gardens, formerly “nice” Santa Ana–oh well, why bother to get into it? It makes me so tired.

    I haven’t really kept up on California political news at all in the last six months or so, because it is so depressing. I only looked up that Anaheim story because Mr. N asked me about it. The I spent being angry and upset about it all day yesterday! LOL, I need to go back into ostrich mode. . .

    What’s going to happen here? The North may vote to split from the South–it’s not as bad up here YET but it’s getting that way. There’s the historical precedent of Virginia/West Virginia splitting up during the Civil War, so it can be done.

    What’s funny is that a couple of years ago, a very nice museum was opened up in S. F. devoted to the life and works of Walt Disney, with much valuable memorabilia of his early works and movie career. I thought this was very strange, as Walt had zero connection with San Francisco, not one thing, nada. He was a SoCal boy all the way.

    The logical place for such a museum would of course be either LA or Anaheim.

    But I guess the Disney museum builders already saw the writing on the wall, and realized that LA and Anaheim were both just sunnier versions of Detroit. Best get all that valuable memorabilia out before they are both completely destroyed.

  135. The confusion of the man-o-fear!!! Remember our commentary on certain self-hating, misogynistic lesbians that become housepets on some mano sites?

    Dig this photo!
    http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-mrm-whats-in-it-for-women/

    Does she not look like the stereotype of a lesbian or “feminist” woman? Roissy would call this a DC woman lawyer.

    This is the very type of woman the manofear guys would complain about: unfeminine, trying to be a man, a ball breaker. Yet, here she’s the cover shot representing a good female supporter of mens rights.

    ???????

  136. Hey Mr. N, while we are on the subject of Disney, did you know that he was not of German ancestry as everyone assumes from his name?

    No, he was. ..get this..a Frenchman! The real name was D’Isegny after the place his French ancestors came from.

    For those of you who hate the Mouse House, blame Les Froggies, not Der Krauts!

  137. Stormy/Otis: I read the thread over at Thag Jones/CL. I don’t think I was especially hard on her. I just posted that she sounded unpleasant , belligerent, and macho online, and I was turned off by the BDSM stuff–which is true. I did not make any personal remarks about her looks or her personal situation at all.

  138. This is the very type of woman the manofear guys would complain about: unfeminine, trying to be a man, a ball breaker. Yet, here she’s the cover shot representing a good female supporter of mens rights.

    Yes, that is a very good point. I’ve seen them bash straight woman I thought were really good-looking as “masculine” and “having a man jaw” etc. Then they go ape over this androgyne.

    Manosphere men–you can’t please ‘em!

  139. Maria: CL LOVED the attention she got from this site and a big plus; it provided her with material for a day’s posting.

    I’ve been there before when she instigated an online cat fight with Alte and some of that crowd; she had been banned from Alte’s site apparently. There were a couple other posts about online personalities that she got into spats with; again, fresh meat for posts!

    These type of posts get more comments than some boring rehash of why women are awful and won’t be submissive (how many times can this be repeated?). She enjoys it all. It’s some interaction with people in her life and there doesn’t seem to be much of that for her (wonder why?).

  140. This is the classic behavioral trait of the true believer, Julie. They Know How the World Works and Everyone and Everything Else Be Damned!

    PS–the Mami of the first gangbanger killed in Anaheim has already lawyered up and filed a $50 million lawsuit against the city. Her kid (who was nicknamed “Stomper” because he stomped on his enemies’ heads during gang fights) ISN’T EVEN BURIED YET.

    Jackpotto! Kachingo! Viva El Norte!

    Words fail me.

  141. Poor California! Would the dubious benefit of cheap labor for agriculture be probably the instigating factor in what has sadly come to pass over the decades?

    No free lunch.

  142. I promise this is my final post on Thuggie Jones (CL):

    Here’s her takeaway sentence on today’s post (basically shitty women who won’t submit).

    “It seems to me that the only piece of relationship advice worth its salt is Biblical; that is, the husband as head and the wife in submission.”

    Re-hash, pass the salt indeed.

  143. Poor California! Would the dubious benefit of cheap labor for agriculture be probably the instigating factor in what has sadly come to pass over the decades?

    That was it in the beginning but now it’s more corrupt politicians chasing votes by offering more and more political benefits to illegals.

    BTW, argriculture in California until recently has historically been a low-income white-person thang, eg the Joad family in The Grapes of Wrath. La Raza keeps putting out propaganda that it was only ever a poor Mexican thang.

    Low income white people in the hick farmland area I grew up in picked fruit and veg all the way up until the mid-1970s. They were largely locals, not migrants by that time. They usually had a regular breadwinner, but women, children and unemployed teen-age sons would work for a “little extra” in the summer.

    In the mid-1970s Sacramento banned families in the field (ostensibly because of concern over child labor), which made it uncompetitive for locals to compete with the new arrivals from South of the Border.

    I had a summer field job for every summer from age six to age 13 to make “spending money.”. 1974 (I was 14) was the year they banned me from being exploited by “child labor.” LOL!

  144. “It seems to me that the only piece of relationship advice worth its salt is Biblical; that is, the husband as head and the wife in submission.”

    She doesn’t even have a husband, so why on earth does she keep harping on handing out “relationship advice”? She’s divorced, for god’s sake. Do people sign up for fishing lessons from a guy who’s never successfully reeled in a fish!

    My husband and I recently celebrated our 17th wedding anniversary. Maybe you or I are a better source of advice than she is?

    Just a thought.

  145. I’m in my third decade of marriage and here’s my hotshot marital advice:

    Have a sense of humor. (#1 above all other things)

    Have a sense of gratitude for what you do have.

    If you can swing separate bathrooms, it’s a big help.

    That is all.

  146. LOL, you’re list is great! And I would add, “have totally separate financial accounts.”

    We’ve never shared a credit card, a checking account, or a bank account in 19 years of togetherness (lived together two years before we got married.)

    Works for us!

  147. Oh, and don’t settle down with a financially irresponsbile partner, a cheater, or an abuser.

  148. OT but about something I care about a lot: The Colorado shooter was a diagnosed schizophrenic who was seeing a psychiatrist. As I said, he was mentally sick.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-was-seeing-psychiatrist-at-university-before-massacre/2012/07/27/gJQAsTwHEX_story.html

    Before the 70s the dude’s psychiatrist or family could have petitioned the courts to have him involuntarily committed to a mental health facility for treatment. Today it is legally difficult to do that, so the family (who knew he was nuts) was helpless to intervene.

    Supreme Court “Civil rights” rulings of the mid-70s made the criteria for involuntary commitment impossibly strict, and that is one reason why we started having so many of these incidents, starting in the mid-70s. Before the mid-70s they were uncommon in the U.S.

    The fight over gun control is a red herring issue, IMHO. Maybe we do need to tighten up gun laws in this country, but re-establishing a more realistic standard for involuntary commitment would probably save more lives while avoiding that contentious issue.

  149. I think it’s hilarious that you guys have more successful relationships than a lot of the manosphere women. Kudos to you. That must say something.

  150. I’ve noticed online and in real life that men who “veer right” such as most in the Manosphere (the lefties just keep quiet as you can read here; http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/mrm-marxism/ …)

    pop boners over physically unappealing yet hard-hitting, “no nonsense” shrill and fanatical women. I did some googling on Ann Barnhardt and despite her looks, she has no dearth of proposals and romantic e-gestures from fanatical Christian men online.

    On the otherhand, all the liberal “manginas” tend to appreciate beauty, nuance, and less shrill rhetoric from their women.

  151. LOL! I wrote about the problems caused by the reform of involuntary commitment laws like 18 months ago on my old blog, and “whiskey” was obviously reading it because–voila–he copied it!

    http://whiskeysplace.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/how-to-stop-mass-murders-and-why-it-wont-happen/

    (Except that my old post didn’t have anything in it about angry beta white guys. Whiskey has one hammer and everything looks like a nail.)

    This is not the first time whiskey has stolen ideas from my old blog. He’s shameless!

  152. In places that have the Baker Act or similar, one can commit somebody who poses a danger to him or herself or others for 3 days, afterwhich legally they have to be released if they do not sign a voluntary commitment agreement.

    But then if one does not sign, there can be a court hearing where doctors and family can argue that they need to be kept. I know a few people who this happened to.

    What the manosphere doesn’t realize (or maybe they do, in which case their views are even more dangerous than previously thought) is that there are A LOT of men out there who in the 60s would have, rightly or not, been institutionalised for life, walking around on meds for ADD, OCD, Depression, etc.

    These are the very guys that the Manosphere wants US to date, marry and have kids with! They blame women for things like the Colorado mass murder, that if only Holmes and Sodini had HB8-10 girlfriends that none of this would have happened and its womens fault, Feminism’s fault and the US governments fault for not promoting Sexual Marxism and assigning every crazy nut a hot girlfriend off the assembly line.

  153. If there were more hot girls then more mediocre guys would be able to get a hot gf. Maybe PUAs should start blaming God for not making enough hot young sluts.

  154. Add to that they’re on drugs for bi-polar, schizophrenia and other more serious mental health issues, out and about, working besides us at jobs, and sitting beside us in movie theatres. And these are the men that the Manosphere wants us to date and procreate with.

  155. “If there were more hot girls then more mediocre guys would be able to get a hot gf. ”

    On any given day I see a considerably larger percentage of attractive women than men. Men in this country, by and large, are plain at best.

  156. But not all states have the Baker Act, and the whole process may be too long, expensive and arduous for a family to see through. I don’t know if it was possible under Colorado law. Holmes’ family lived in California–difficult to do something lke that long distance.

    There needs to be some revisions. I’m not saying go back to the 50s and 60s criteria which were easily abused, but what we have now is not right either.

    The European countries who look down on us for our “violence” because of all these incidents also tend to have proper commitment laws and mental health facilities.

    This organization keeps track of murders committed by diagnosed schizophrenics and other severely disabled people since 1975: it’s a lot of murders.

    http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/problem

    The ACLU still brags on its website about its role in “protecting” the civil rights of people like James Holmes.

    I don’t see that they have anything to brag about.

    We have 15,000 murders a year in this country; if just 10 percent of those are due to the actions of diagnosable mentally ill people, that’s a lot of dead people since 1975.

  157. But where would the money come from to build these institutions and keep their infrastructure going? Taxes. A mass murder every year or few years might be considered the cost effective pay off for not raising taxes yet again, in the minds of some people.

  158. Most people would be reasonable about paying for taxes to improve public safety, if the situation was laid out fairly and rationally. .

    The main reason I bitch about taxes is because my state government uses my taxes to buy votes from foreigners., many of whom are criminal , and is not willing to set any limits whatsoever on how many can come here and use my taxes.

    I don’t mind paying a reasonable amount to keep up a decent , civilized society.

    But you cannot have a decent infrastructure and a reasonable welfare state if you have open borders with much poorer countries.

  159. The main reason I bitch about taxes is because my state government uses my taxes to buy votes from foreigners

    America has 3 major social problems:
    1. blacks
    2. Hispanics
    3. Gov unions (which you didn’t mention).

    I’d pay more taxes (if I had a job) if I knew the money wouldn’t go to those three groups.

    Men in this country, by and large, are plain at best.

    It’s true. Look how totally average looking guys like Brad Pitt, Justin Beiber and Matt Damon are held up as the pinnacle of male beauty. I would rather see a bunch of ugly people than a bunch of average looking people who all look the same.

  160. ” I would rather see a bunch of ugly people than a bunch of average looking people who all look the same.”

    The plain men are the “at best” men. Most that I see are below plain, just out right unattractive. And it is very rare to see a hot guy out in the public sphere, in many cases. California, some islands in Hawaii, Miami and NYC being exceptions. These places seem to value physical aesthetic and health.

  161. Baker acting happens almost instantaneously if it’s done by a school administrator or the police (or people at a hospital, ie if someone intentionally overdoses on pills or severely harms themselves). A family member can just call 911 and commit a member. It doesn’t take much effort and it’s abused very frequently. A girl from my high school was Baker Acted for having a panic attack in the guidance counselors office and saying,”I can’t do this anymore.” She was hauled away by the police in front of everyone. It was awful. And though she posed no threat to herself and others, they held her for 72 hours. Though thankfully, they didn’t make her take any meds.

  162. Justin Bieber is a very pretty girl!!! And every bit as cute as Zooey Deschanel.

    Otis, a hot young slut is a huge trophy and source of validation for a man. If EVERY man could get one, it would no longer be a status symbol.

    Desi: I’d just be happy if grown ass men would stop dressing like toddlers. Baggy, wide legged capris, the dorky ball caps, and size XXXXXL tee shirts that look like maternity tops. And I’ve seen enough male underpants!

    Maria, I agree we need to amend the laws about getting extreme loons (sorry, not very pc!) back into whatever care facility they require to get better – if that’s even possible. It was Pres. Carter, I believe who wanted to close down some of the awful state run dumping grounds for such folks and Pres. Reagan who really ramped it up. I know the homeless people really began to be noticeable under Reagan. It takes a heap of cash to have humanely run quality care settings for the mentally ill so I think we know that idea won’t go anywhere. The libs will cry about warehousing the mentals, the conservs will cry about more nanny state gubmint. Won’t happen.

    (We do have two cats, one is 18 this summer and on her last legs. When she “transitions,” I’m getting a Burmese kitten).

  163. Otis, a hot young slut is a huge trophy and source of validation for a man.

    You don’t know what it is like to be a guy. We have hot young sluts on the brain. Status matters to guys only insofar as it helps them get hot young sluts. Fuck status. Hot young sluts for all.

  164. Baker acting happens almost instantaneously if it’s done by a school administrator or the police (or people at a hospital, ie if someone intentionally overdoses on pills or severely harms themselves). A family member can just call 911 and commit a member. It doesn’t take much effort and it’s abused very frequently. A girl from my high school was Baker Acted for having a panic attack in the guidance counselors office and saying,”I can’t do this anymore.” She was hauled away by the police in front of everyone.

    Stormy, but you live in Florida which is the origin of the Baker Act., don’t you? That’s not true of all states.

    The doctor at the Treatment Advocacy Center (the link I posted) doesn’t want to apply involuntary commitment laws to anyone but schizophrenics and bi-polars, not people having freak-outs or panic attacks, or people with ADD (that would include me, LOL!), Aspbergers, etc. .

    Would you believe me if I told you that there were very few homeless people in the U.S. before most mental institutions were closed and severely mentally ill people were given the right to decide for themselves if they wanted hospitalization or not?

    It’s true. The first homeless people I ever saw in my life showed up around 1977. Now they talk about it as if it has always been this severe problem in the U.S., as if it were “normal” that we have several million people, most of them mentally imparied, living on our city streets.

    It’s not normal.

    Julie:

    “I know the homeless people really began to be noticeable under Reagan. It takes a heap of cash to have humanely run quality care settings for the mentally ill so I think we know that idea won’t go anywhere. The libs will cry about warehousing the mentals, the conservs will cry about more nanny state gubmint. Won’t happen.”

    That’s true Julie, but there was no reason to keep most state-supported mental institutions open when they had no “clients” to keep in them. The first homeless showed up in San Francisco in the mid-late 70s.

    IMHO, it would be cheaper to have humane, decent mental health treatment centers than all the homeless shelters we ahve, as well as all the money we spend on crime enforcement. How much money is being spent on James Holmes’ trial, and the medical treatment of his surviving victims?

    I can’t hate James Holmes. he is pitiful, with his orange hair and his completely out-of-it demeanor. Just looking at him tells me he is severely ill and not responsible for his actions. Killing him would not be right.

    That’s my two cents, anyways.

  165. Speaking of hot vs plain joes and ugly dudes, the latest to get the Manosphere riled up is Magic Mike. God forbid women wish to see good faced, half naked, sexy, buff, muscular hot guys in a film!

  166. Desi: I’d just be happy if grown ass men would stop dressing like toddlers. Baggy, wide legged capris, the dorky ball caps, and size XXXXXL tee shirts that look like maternity tops. And I’ve seen enough male underpants!

    Oh God, I want to second that with extreme prejudice! It’s like living in a world of real-life cartoon characters. Have you noticed that our favorite “married man sex advisor” sometimes dresses like that (at least from the photos he’s published online.)

    I don’t want American men to look like cartoon characters. It’s embarassing. For god’s sake, clean it up.

    Baker acting happens almost instantaneously if it’s done by a school administrator or the police (or people at a hospital, ie if someone intentionally overdoses on pills or severely harms themselves). A family member can just call 911 and commit a member. It doesn’t take much effort and it’s abused very frequently. A girl from my high school was Baker Acted for having a panic attack in the guidance counselors office and saying,”I can’t do this anymore.” She was hauled away by the police in front of everyone.

    Stormy, but you live in Florida which is the origin of the Baker Act., don’t you? That’s not true of all states.

    The doctor at the Treatment Advocacy Center (the link I posted) doesn’t want to apply involuntary commitment laws to anyone but schizophrenics and bi-polars, not people having freak-outs or panic attacks, or people with ADD (that would include me, LOL!), Aspbergers, etc. .

    Would you believe me if I told you that there were very few homeless people in the U.S. before most mental institutions were closed and severely mentally ill people were given the right to decide for themselves if they wanted hospitalization or not?

    It’s true. The first homeless people I ever saw in my life showed up around 1977. Now they talk about it as if it has always been this severe problem in the U.S., as if it were “normal” that we have several million people, most of them mentally imparied, living on our city streets.

    It’s not normal.

    Julie:

    “I know the homeless people really began to be noticeable under Reagan. It takes a heap of cash to have humanely run quality care settings for the mentally ill so I think we know that idea won’t go anywhere. The libs will cry about warehousing the mentals, the conservs will cry about more nanny state gubmint. Won’t happen.”

    That’s true Julie, but there was no reason to keep most state-supported mental institutions open when they had no “clients” to keep in them. The first homeless showed up in San Francisco in the mid-late 70s.

    IMHO, it would be cheaper to have humane, decent mental health treatment centers than all the homeless shelters we ahve, as well as all the money we spend on crime enforcement. How much money is being spent on James Holmes’ trial, and the medical treatment of his surviving victims?

    I can’t hate James Holmes. he is pitiful, with his orange hair and his completely out-of-it demeanor. Just looking at him tells me he is severely ill and not responsible for his actions. Killing him would not be right.

    That’s my two cents, anyways.

  167. Sorry, my comment got accidentally mixed with my previous one. Ignore the double-posted stuff.

  168. BTW, I mostly got interested in this mental health stuff because of a mentally ill black woman in S.F. who murdered her children a few years ago in a really awful way. She was an “outpatient” on anti-schizoid drugs, and then she stopped taking her meds, and one day, just picked up her three-year-old and her one-year-old and tossed them both into the S.F. Bay. They had no chance.

    She should have been committed, not treated as an “outpatient.”

  169. 2. Hispanics
    3. Gov unions (which you didn’t mention).

    Otis, some assimilated, long-settled “Hispanics “are embarassed by the behavior of the gangbangers and La Raza types. I was heartened to see Spanish names among those who were angry about the Anaheim riots and commenting on news stories about them. Then again, a lot of those Spanish names could be people with “Anglo” moms or just one “Hispanic” grandpa (the Tony Homo type of “Latino”). Those marriages are quite common here.

    Even the Vietnamese and Chinese commenters were pissed off about those riots, and they don’t often get pissed off about anything (except maybe government regulations about nail salon hygiene.)

  170. PS–I don’t care that much about government unions. It’s far-left liberal arts “academics” and “activists” whom I want to deprive of my tax money, especially Those people are more destructive than government unions.

  171. PS–I don’t care that much about government unions. It’s far-left liberal arts “academics” and “activists” whom I want to deprive of my tax money, especially Those people are more destructive than government unions.

    You may not want to give money to those groups but the reality is that they are not much of a budget buster. This isn’t a value judgment, it’s just a fact. Gov unions are more of drain on the system than blacks and hispanics combined.

    I am pro union. Extremely pro union. I was in a union when I worked for Universal Pieces of Shit (UPS). But gov workers should not have the right to unionize.

    Yes to unions, not to government unions.

  172. “It’s far-left liberal arts “academics” and “activists” whom I want to deprive of my tax money, especially Those people are more destructive than government unions.”

    Are you familiar with Gayatri Spivak?

    Government unions? Isn’t working for the government kind of automatically a union itself? Why the need to form more?

  173. Maria:

    We had an almost identical situation happen a few years ago. The woman had twin boys, threw them both off one of the bridges into the Mississippi River. A good samaritan dove in and rescued one but the other little boy washed up down the river, drowned.

  174. Are you familiar with Gayatri Spivak?

    No, but I just googled her and I can’t say I’m at all happy about paying for her no doubt six-figure academic salary (plus perks, subsidized Faculty Club Meals, and a gold-plated retirement package) for “deconstructing” the “dominance” of Western civilization in a Western country.

    Coming into my home and telling me I’m “racist” and “oppressive” (with my own tax dollars!) while sucking up the cushy benefits of a society built largely by my ancestors’ blood, sweat and tears isn’t my idea of someone who contributes much to my country or its well-being.

    Also, I don’t go to her homeland and whine that I’m a self-created “minority” because the majority population there doesn’t look like me; I expect the same courtesy from Indian (or other non-Western) immigrants here.

    Just my two cents; you don’t have to agree (and I’m sure you don’t!). Just maybe consider how you would feel if I came to your homeland and intellectually trashed “Desi cultural dominance” and then expected you to pay me a fat six-figure salary for doing it.

    Otis: It’s not the budget of the “academics” and “activists” that’s the problem, it’s their ideological impact.

    The ACLU lawyer who successfully sued for unlimited “mental health civil rights” never considered the impact of his actions on society or on the population at large. He was in love with some abstract, fantasy, utopian ideology and was hell-bent on pushing it through, damn the cost.

    He had an enormous negative impact (IMHO) on our society.

  175. We had an almost identical situation happen a few years ago. The woman had twin boys, threw them both off one of the bridges into the Mississippi River.

    That’s very sad. I wonder if she was a medicated schizophrenic like the lady in S.F., or just very depressed?

  176. Government unions? Isn’t working for the government kind of automatically a union itself? Why the need to form more?

    No, of course the government is not a “union” representing their workers. Unions are for collective bargaining about salaries, working hours, health care benefits, etc. I don’t see how government workers should be banned from exercising their collective bargaining rights like other workers.

    I personally think there should be a balance between their collective bargaining rights and the need for safeguarding the taxpayer from being taken for a ride, though.

  177. No, of course the government is not a “union” representing their workers. Unions are for collective bargaining about salaries, working hours, health care benefits, etc. I don’t see how government workers should be banned from exercising their collective bargaining rights like other workers.

    Which is why you and your ilk will be dealt with very firmly in the post revolutionary period. Re-education will be attempted but more severe means of can be applied if necessary.

  178. “Just my two cents; you don’t have to agree (and I’m sure you don’t!). Just maybe consider how you would feel if I came to your homeland and intellectually trashed “Desi cultural dominance” and then expected you to pay me a fat six-figure salary for doing it. ”

    This is exactly what Spivak does in India. She’s like a double agent.

    You can view her here in Arizona riling up the largely Mexican audience telling them that non-Mexican American blue collar workers are “racist” and hiding behind the “losing jobs” excuse as a front for their racism. As if poor blue collar workers would otherwise be happy about losing their jobs, if they only weren’t racist.

    She claims to be for the poor and “sub-altern” but it doesn’t appear that she genuinely is.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gayatri+spivak+arizona&oq=gayatri+spivak+arizona&gs_l=youtube.3…512.4448.0.4621.15.11.0.4.4.0.557.1621.6j3j0j1j0j1.11.0…0.0…1ac.XNmXYQOdlwY

  179. @Maria:

    I believe you. My father (who’s considerably older than you) talks about it all the time. I’ve met homeless people too. And the numbers are on the rise. It’s out of control.

    I’m a bit obsessed with schizophrenia, because I find it fascinating from a scientific perspective. I’ve recently become good friends with a paranoid schizophrenic who doesn’t take meds (he doesn’t have hallucinations and actively overides his paranoid delusions; the mathematician Nash did something similar b/c there was no medication in his time) and it’s been really interesting to see what it’s like. He’s been quite open with his story with me.

    There are some forms of schizophrenia that have very depressing long term outcomes. I think the worst is “disorganized schizophrenia,” also called hebephrenia. I’m sure most of the homeless would suffer from this type of schizophrenia. It starts in early teens, usually, and results in the person having inappropriate emotional responses to things (like laughing hysterically at…nothing), word salad, inability to take care of themselves, etc. I mean shit, if you can’t form a coherent sentence or shower, how can you expect to have a job?

    Another problem with the Baker Act as it stands is that the government will scrape together money for those without health insurance for one, maybe two weeks, put them on meds, and then dump them on the streets without it. And there are social workers that might help that person get into a special home, but if you’re homeless, with no family, wtf can you do?

    The homeless man who had his face eaten down here was schizophrenic, and abandoned by his family. He was an honors student at Stuyvesant in NYC, one of the best high schools in the United States. Freaking sad.

  180. They still don’t know. They think the person who ate his face may have had a psychotic episode. They couldn’t find any drugs in his system other than pot, and that just doesn’t line up with the face eating.

  181. Which is why you and your ilk will be dealt with very firmly in the post revolutionary period. Re-education will be attempted but more severe means of can be applied if necessary.

    Otis, are you really such a fanatic as you present yourself? Do you understand the term “happy medium?”

    I don’t believe that you can take collective bargaining rights away from government workers. However, maybe you can make them sign a contract (BEFORE they take the job) agreeing to limited rights in that area as a condition of their employment (and maybe given them some kind of token signing bonus or something like that, in recognition of the rights they’ve signed away.)

    I’d be okay with that, because they’d know going in what they signed up for. Kind of like a soldier who goes into the army knowing that his job could entail giving up his life.

    Desi: thank you for the video.

    I would never go to someone else’s country, accept lavish benefits from them, and then trash them in return. It’s the height of rudeness and dishonor to me. But maybe that’s just me.

  182. Another problem with the Baker Act as it stands is that the government will scrape together money for those without health insurance for one, maybe two weeks, put them on meds, and then dump them on the streets without it. And there are social workers that might help that person get into a special home, but if you’re homeless, with no family, wtf can you do?

    Stormy: But that’s just my point. There needs to be facilities for these people. It’s unacceptable that they are left to their own devices. But if they are a danger to themselves or others, they shouldn’t be able to make the decision to stop taking their meds or leave their health facility on their own.

    The problem with the ACLU criteria for long-term involuntary commitment is that it is a chicken-or-egg situation. It requires extensive proof that a candidate for commitment is dangerous to himself or others. But you can’t know that for sure until they actually hurt someone (or themselves) and by then it’s too late to save their victims.

    It’s a very frustrating situation. I’m disgusted that the entire mental health infrastructure of this country was closed down just because of one single Supreme Court ruling.

  183. I mean shit, if you can’t form a coherent sentence or shower, how can you expect to have a job?

    The ACLU lawyer in the O’Connor versus Donaldson case believed that judging or discriminating against such people amounted to “sanism” and was therefore unjust. No, I am not kidding you, that is what he believed!

    “Sanism.” If you don’t want to employ or hang out with a severely mentally disabled person, you are guilty of “sanism.”

    This is what I mean by abstract ideologies that argue for utopian ideals with no grounding in real life realities. People who think like this have way too much power in this country, IMHO.

  184. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest showed the problems of the previous system. I don’t know if those kind of abuses were worth it to keep crazies like Dark Knight shooter off the streets.

  185. What causes psychotic breaks? I know a few who had them, running naked down the street, which I don’t think is a big deal myself, and doing other kooky stuff. I guess its genetic.

  186. The above kooks were taken by the cops to psych wards, on the request of family members, and had to stay for weeks, but were not dangers to themselves or anyone else.

  187. LOL! Good Men Project as several blogs deconstructing Magic Mike and here’s a comment from the peanut gallery,

    Wow, the variety of excuses for this movie and the people who attend it are truly endless. And they’re all along the lines of one, two, three, 100 wrongs makes a right.

    I think it’s time that I step out of this because there is going to be no agreement here. I have talked to no less then 20 friends about this — half men and half women… for the record, all straight. And all of the women think this is fine and a rip-roaring good time and all the men think if they made as big a slobbering deal out of a similar movie targeting men, the hypocritical women in their lives would be *very* offended. Oh and to a man, they hate this movie and everything it stands for. Granted, a small statistical sampling.. But still.

    I know of five couples in an argument over this movie right now. Just last night, one of my buddies was locked out of his house after he went to a strip club with some friends in response to his wife going to see this movie and she had the balls to be *mad* at him. Again, this movie has turned too many women into adolescent, slobbering hypocrites and that’s not an attractive feature in either gender.”

    Why are men so up in arms over this film?

  188. I definitely think Whiskey (the World’s Saddest Unsexy WHITE Man) needs to write a post on “Magic Mike!”

    “Again, this movie has turned too many women into adolescent, slobbering hypocrites and that’s not an attractive feature in either gender.”

    Someone got his fee-fees hurt! Does he say that to his bros when they look at the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or watch the Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Does he have any male friends?

    Once every 10-15 years, there’s a movie or something marketed to the female audience about hot male ass and these guys can’t even let us have the few crumbs tossed to us.

  189. Someone got his fee-fees hurt! Does he say that to his bros when they look at the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or watch the Victoria’s Secret fashion show?

    Idiotic comparison.

    I’ve never even heard of this movie.

  190. It’s not idiotic; men like to look at hot chicks, women like to look at hot dudes.
    (in general, allowing for exceptions, in varying degrees)

    Biology, you know.

    duh

  191. It’s not idiotic; men like to look at hot chicks, women like to look at hot dudes.

    Correct, but what women like does not matter. The problem with movies like “Magic Mike” is that they are spreading the message that what women want is important.

  192. And as good looking as Channing Tatum is, he doesn’t look very good in this film. He doesn’t have the head shape to pull off a buzz cut.

    And what kind of faggot name is “Channing”?

  193. And this is why you’re celibate.

    Are you sure it’s not because I don’t socialize, don’t shower, am short, scrawny, not very good looking and have ridiculously high standards?

  194. I’m supposed to help my sister move her shit from her old apt into our garage, and her best friend and her Mexishit boyfriend are helping us. My mom just got a text from her asking my mom to make sure I don’t say anything racist to the Latrino boyfriend. I am shocked and outraged that my sister would even think I would say something like that in a social setting. I might not even help out now because I am so angry.

  195. I’m supposed to help my sister move her shit from her old apt into our garage, and her best friend and her Mexishit boyfriend are helping us. My mom just got a text from her asking my mom to make sure I don’t say anything racist to the Latrino boyfriend. I am shocked and outraged that my sister would even think I would say something like that in a social setting. I might not even help out now because I am so angry.

    So you’re saying to other people what you’re saying here ? It’s no wonder you’re alone.

  196. Idris Elba should’ve gotten the role that went to Matthew McCoughney in Magic Mike.

    If he’s the next James Bond it will be the first 007 movie I actually pay to see.

  197. “1. Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert says the attack is the result of an attack on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and that the killings might have been avoided if the country returned to the ways of God.”

    THE MIGHTY SKY PIXIES ARE ANGRY!!!

    “2. Mike Huckabee blames sin.”

    THEY DIED FOR YOUR FORNICATION!!

    5. Former Senator Russell Pearce blames victims. “…All that was needed is one Courageous/ Brave man prepared mentally or otherwise to stop this it could have been done.”

    MAN UP YOU CHICKENSHITS!

    6. The Daily Mail blames women. A common, and irritating, media narrative surrounding violence is that it’s fueled by sexual rejection: had some woman just taken pity on the poor man, he wouldn’t have acted out.

    YOU SELFISH BITCHES; YOUR PUNANI DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU; IT BELONGS TO ALL MANKIND. IF YOU SEE A DEPRESSED LOOKING MAN, ASK HIM IF HE COULD USE SOME SEXUAL HEALING!

  198. Susan Walsh July 17, 2012 at 10:44 am

    @Obsidian

    Now you have every right to say that youre not interested in my presence. Im good and can live with that. But what i wont do is pretend to discuss things that i have little direct experience with. Since its clear that if youre not a boston brahmin of a certain age and color, my days are numbered here. And im good with that.

    Youve taught me a lot.

    Obsidian, you and I go back to late 2009. You know that I’ve looked up to you as a manosphere mentor of sorts, and I have enormous respect for your intelligence and sharp powers of observation. I am not even debating the merit of your arguments, which may be sound. This is not about being white or affluent – it’s about manners. Your tendency to keep it “brutal and real” is a problem here. Like it or not, you’re in the girls’ locker room, and your style of debate, which may work well with MRAs or HBDers, is too contentious for HUS. Women just don’t roll this way, and when you set the tenor of the debate this way, even the most regular HUSsies bow out of the discussion.

    You say you won’t pretend to discuss things you have little experience with, and that’s fair. That’s precisely my objection to your making this all about sistas or Black America. I have little experience with that, so when you bring the discussion around to that again and again, you put me in the position of being unable to participate in the debate on my own blog. Surely you can see why it makes more sense for you to debate these issues on your own blog?

  199. “Women just don’t roll this way’

    We are delicate blossoms with petals of pink, holding porcelain cups and saucers with our pinky finger extended.

    We cannot handle that “street talk” from Obsidian.

  200. “What the CosmoChristoFeminists all need is a good husbandly spanking and rogering. Then they could stop reading and writing stupid emasculating books on how to turn your husband into your bitch. And get on with being helpful wives as God intended.”

    From David Collard (at Thuggie’s place)

    How is a “husbandly” spanking different from a daddy spanking?

  201. Islamic men don’t seem to have the problems with their wives that Christian men do. Islam 4 life.

  202. 5. Former Senator Russell Pearce blames victims. “…All that was needed is one Courageous/ Brave man prepared mentally or otherwise to stop this it could have been done.”

    The other comments are wacky but I don’t see how this one is that wacky or blaming the victims. If I were there I might have tried to think of some way to stop the guy.

  203. From David Collard (at Thuggie’s place)

    That guy is a total fruitcake. He used to post at Asshole’s site and also at Assanova. His wife likes to be spanked–he writes about it all the time. He also writes about how he tries not to be “too nice” to her but then worries that she’ll leave him for being mean.

    I note that the usual deliusional Game-tard male crowd is there, insisting that their “sexual market value” lasts into their 90s.

  204. If SueBee is willing to throw Blobsidian under the bus, she would do it to anyone. Way to be a total backstabber there, Subes.

  205. Somehow, I just can’t see apprehending a person wielding a semi-automatic in a darkened, noisy (Batman!) movie theater or even being calm and collected enough to bust a cap in his rampaging ass provided you’re armed, without taking out a bunch of other people, or more likely getting plugged yourself.

    We hear this argument a lot, be armed and be safe, but really, how many of us have the capability to operate like a professional SWAT team shooter, and those guys even screw up sometimes! Once in a blue moon, we read about someone owning a handgun and fending off an intruder in their own home but this situation is really different.

    Talk is cheap, Russell Pearce!

  206. Somehow, I just can’t see apprehending a person wielding a semi-automatic in a darkened, noisy (Batman!) movie theater or even being calm and collected enough to bust a cap in his rampaging ass provided you’re armed, without taking out a bunch of other people, or more likely getting plugged yourself.

    No doubt but I would highly respect anyone who tried. And I wasn’t talking about having a gun, I meant trying to distract him, banging him in the kneecap with something hard, throwing ice in his face, etc.

    A helicopter news crew followed the Norwegian shooter for tens of minutes and did nothing to try to stop him. They said they couldn’t have done anything, but they didn’t even think to try to buzz him to distract him away, for instance.

  207. “I note that the usual deliusional Game-tard male crowd is there, insisting that their “sexual market value” lasts into their 90s.”

    C’mon, nothing hotter than a bald head covered with liver spots!

    David “Thunder from Down Under” Collard makes the rounds, I tell you. His wife gives him blow jobs and she’s never had an orgasm because “women don’t really need them.” He sometimes refuses to give her physical affection because he believes in being mean to keep them keen. AND he had sex with a married woman once because her husband was such a wimp.

    Oh David, you big bad leather daddy.

  208. I’ll bet he’s a little bald Caspar Milquetoast with little round wire rimmed glasses in real life.

    Don’t these people get tired of hearing themselves rattle on and on about the same stuff?

  209. “We hear this argument a lot, be armed and be safe, but really, how many of us have the capability to operate like a professional SWAT team shooter, and those guys even screw up sometimes! ”

    The thing I don’t get is all these people who “arm ourselves against the government”.

    How the hell is a small gun going to disarm an entire SWAT team if they decide to invade your home, as they did with that woman in Ohio or Michigan who refused to give her child prescription behavioural medicine?

    A gun would not have helped her, she’d be dead now, and so would her child, had she pulled one out.

  210. David Collard Greens manually checked for his wife’s “intact hymen” before he married her. That’s on the Dullcock thread where Feminist Hater is saying women have to stop wearing tampons or risk being sluts who don’t pass the “virgin test” at the gynaecologist’s.

  211. Otis, read this if you think our current system on mental health doesn’t have more than a few kinks in it:

    http://www.jaapl.org/content/38/1/115.full

    “…describing the attitude: Sanism is the irrational thinking, feeling and behavior patterns of response by an individual or by a society to the irrational behavior (and too often even the rational behavior) of a mentally ill individual. It is morally reprehensible because it is an unnecessary and disabling burden that is added by our prejudiced society to the very real affliction of severe mental illness… . It should be clearly understood that sanists are bigots… . Gradually I realized that our society’s irrational mechanisms of oppression of blacks … were similar in operational procedures to the operation of our society’s irrational mechanisms of oppression of the involuntarily civilly committed… [Ref. 3, pp 105–6].”

    It was all about some goofball utopian leftist’s little abstract pet theories. A world where people are mass-murdered in theaters was just the price that had to be paid so that this chick’s dad could play at being Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

    Nowhere in this delusional screed do I seen any recognition of the rights of people at large not to get harmed or killed by mentally ill folks.

  212. There’s no point in going out on expensive dates in this economy anyways. I wouldn’t accept any invites out if I were single right now, even if the man paid. It’s time to batten down the hatches and prepare for the inevitable when Europe finally blows up.

  213. Julie: your anti gun views are no more acceptable than your pro government workers and pro latrino views. Despite our long friendship, I don’t think I will be able to save you post revolution and you will need to be “evacuated” from our lands.

  214. Julie: your anti gun views are no more acceptable than your pro government workers and pro latrino views. Despite our long friendship, I don’t think I will be able to save you post revolution and you will need to be “evacuated” from our lands.

    Nobody here give a shit about your “revolution”.

  215. No doubt but I would highly respect anyone who tried. And I wasn’t talking about having a gun, I meant trying to distract him, banging him in the kneecap with something hard, throwing ice in his face, etc.

    A helicopter news crew followed the Norwegian shooter for tens of minutes and did nothing to try to stop him. They said they couldn’t have done anything, but they didn’t even think to try to buzz him to distract him away, for instance.

    It’s the Kitty Genovese Syndrome.

  216. Another example is the Laurie Dann case. She killed a boy and wounded several children at an elementary school before taking a family hostage, shooting a member of the family and killing herself. After her death, it was proved her family protected her and her psychiatrist misdiagnosed her. In order to commit people, their family must not protect them and their psychiatrists must diagnose them correctly.

    A very good TV movie was made about it : Murder of innocence (1993). Sadly it’s not available on YouTube.

  217. I’m not sure the old system would have been able to prevent all these mass killings : Howard Unruh in 1949 killed 13 people and was declared insane.

    Yeah, but that was very uncommon in those days. Not like the situation today.

    On the other hand, I don’t understand why someone with these mental problems was able to get all these ammos and semi-automatic weapons so easily.

    Because of privacy laws that protects psychiatric patients’ medical histories. Also, I’ve read recently that his university psychiatrist was already under review for incompetence. No kidding!

  218. I don’t remember the Laurie Dann case, but I agree, not everybody would be covered, even under less strict commitment laws. But I think it would be better, not perfect.

    Hey Mr. No More, do you remember the Ted Ammon murder case from 2002? The super-rich guy from The Hamptons who was bumped off by his whacked-out wife’s lover, probably with her collusion?

    I saw a good TV movie about it recently. The wife was a total whack-job–now talk about bad wife material.

    Why would a super-rich, handsome guy with stratospheric sexual market value marry a gold-digging, mentally ill woman who treated him like dirt?

    Sounds like the case of a beta nice guy who dug bad girls.

  219. James Holmes bought most of his ammo online, Mr. No more. So did Anders Breivik. There should be stricter regulation of online gun and ammo purchases. With that, I agree.

    You should have to come in physically to a store and sign the register and pick up your stuff in person after a waiting period. But of course there would always be the black market, but not everybody knows how to buy things on the black market.

  220. I think anybody who has an issue of serious mental illness should be barred from owning a gun. Not somebody who had to take prozac for depression but anybody who has been in a loony bin. Part of applying to get a gun should mean you have to disclose your entire mental health history.

  221. The Lifetime movie was called Murder in the Hamptons. It was good. I don’t know any of the actors but the woman who played the crazy horrible wife was really good.

  222. I had no idea you could buy guns and ammo over the net. No argument, one should have to buy them in person, show a license and register them. I don’t understand all these nutters who want every man woman and child on the face of the planet to own a gun. I even read that one of the current presidential candidates said he would push for a UN resolution to get gun ownership legal for everyone everywhere on the planet.

    Why?

  223. Why?

    cause they are stupid. There is something seriously wrong with the conservative brain.

  224. cause they are stupid. There is something seriously wrong with the conservative brain.

    Otis, there is nothing in the least bit “conservative” about wanting to legislate anything like that tthrough the United Nations.

    It results in the loss of national sovereignty and national loss of self-determination.

  225. lol…. i have so much respect for the ex-druggie-slut-punk-rocker-white-trash dana now!

  226. ” I even read that one of the current presidential candidates said he would push for a UN resolution to get gun ownership legal for everyone everywhere on the planet.”

    Yeah. Romney. On the other hand a few nutters are claiming that our O-man wants to BAN gun ownership everywhere on the planet.

    From one extreme to the other. I say – arm all women. Ban guns from men.

    Perfect balance :)

    By the way NMMNG, legalized prostitution has done NOTHING to curb the illegal underage sex slavery trade in Amsterdamn.
    Read here;

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237170/Why-Amsterdams-legal-brothels-lesson-Britain-telling-truth-sex-gangs-race.html

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