PUAs/MRAs and mainstream culture

One of the ridiculous idea that PUAs and MRAs have is that women are not influenced by mainstream and popular culture and that everything that women do is because they are submissive to Alpha male. For these guys, women are not influenced by popular and mainstream culture but by Alpha males and feminists. It leads to bizarre things : A few years ago, one of them, Vincent Ignatus wrote a posting bitching against women and saying that women are ugly and masculine and the article featured a picture of Eva Longoria. Eva Longoria is a celebrity and she has fans all around the world, therefore the article is a good example of cognitive dissonance. Another example of cognitive dissonance is that PUAs and MRAs are convinced that women’s magazine have a huge influence on women and at the same time that these women are ugly. Women’s magazine are full of pictures of very attractive women and are frequently accused of shaming women because they don’t look like these celebrities, so if women are influenced by these magazines, how can they be ugly and masculine ?

Believing that everything that women do is to please Alpha Males lead MRAs/PUAs to think that all fashion or grooming trends exists to please Alpha Male. As an example Athol Kay said that his wife had a Brazilian waxing because he’s an Alpha Male while the reason women have Brazilian waxing has nothing to do with Alpha Males.

One of the reason PUAs/MRAs believe that women are not influenced by mainstream and popular culture is that PUAs/MRAs reject mainstream and popular culture and admire freaks like Mystery. As an example, the GendErratic site says that men are not supposed to show an interest in clothing while both mainstream culture and men’s magazines encourage men to spend money on clothing. MRAs are not aware of that and it’s why they look like a bunch of weirdos.

Furthermore these MRAs/PUAs are regularly talking about feminists that almost nobody knows like if these women had a huge influence on women. And these guys read obsessively these feminists blogs and many feminists reject mainstream and popular culture and proudly say they are not influenced by other women. Which leads MRAs/PUAs to conclude that since women are not influenced by by mainstream and popular culture it means they must be submissive to Alpha males and influenced by feminists.

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67 thoughts on “PUAs/MRAs and mainstream culture

  1. I can’t read what Athol Kay actually wrote because he makes me ill, but will somebody here please read it and say if it is true that he said his wife got a Brazilian wax because he is an alpha? No More often misunderstands what people are saying and this sounds like one of those cases. On the other hand, Athol could possibly say something that delusional.

  2. I think I remember reading something on his site about him giving his wife, Jennifer an at-home Brazillan wax. Now, if that’s true he must truly be an alpha dog b/c I wouldn’t let my hubby come anywhere near my privates with hot wax.

  3. Go on his site and “fat shame” him, Otis. It would be for his own good!

    He likes his carbs, I think — he uses the term “baked goods” a lot. Remember, he had a post once on how to make your wife jealous: Pick up some muffins or brownies at the grocery, purchase a nice plate to put them on, and take them home — then tell wifey that the “nice (hot, young) girl” at the office made them for you, because golly, why not? Sexy hotties go to the trouble of baking for middle-aged shlubs all the time, don’t they?

    Re: the at-home Brazilian. I think it’s more that he’s too cheap to allow Jen to go out and have a professional do this to her crotch so she had to buy a home-kit. I don’t think this sounds the least bit sexy. Kind of gross, actually.

    My husband has back hair; a lot of body hair actually; I trim him in the summer with the clippers. I wonder if this means I’m a Super Alpha Bitch?

  4. It was more that Asshole Key wrote about giving his wife a Brazilian wax (they are too cheap to get it in a salon like a normal woman) and one of his creepy fanboyz in the comments said it was the ultimate alpha move.

    These guys will say anything is the ultimate alpha move, they have such low self-esteem.

  5. But, but, Maria! He was in proximity to an actual, human vulva! Not a fleshlight.

    Now, that’s Alpha!

    (A middle aged man giving his wife, who’s probably shrieking and flinching, a home wax — messy, painful, yuk! That just says “chores” to me — kind of like me grooming hubsy with the clippers. I like to say “time for your puppy cut!”)

  6. Hi Xelon …it’s difficult to get caught up with all your comments because there are on so many different posts.

  7. hello Ralphie, our apologies, we are space travelers that work fighting against shrivelled manosphere balls on multiple levels, at times this disorients us.

  8. Asshole was the one who wrote about giving his wife a shopping trip at the local Goodwill as a “treat” for good behavior.

    1.) Who would take their husband shopping with them?

    2.) Nothing wrong with shopping at a thrift shop–I’ve done it too–but it’s not exactly a “treat” that women dream about.

    And DIM JEN is the one who makes all the money in that family so why does she need a “treat” from Asshole in the first place?

  9. Okay, so while Athol is indeed both disgusting and pathetic, he is not quite as disgusting and pathetic as No More indicated. That’s what I thought.

    Although, No More left out that it was actually Athol giving the Brazilian, which is not only even MORE disgusting and pathetic than I had thought, but it is tacky and super classless (as opposed to just the generic level of classlessness he normally demonstrates) to boot.

    He’s a piece of shit.

    He likes his carbs, I think — he uses the term “baked goods” a lot. Remember, he had a post once on how to make your wife jealous: Pick up some muffins or brownies at the grocery, purchase a nice plate to put them on, and take them home — then tell wifey that the “nice (hot, young) girl” at the office made them for you, because golly, why not? Sexy hotties go to the trouble of baking for middle-aged shlubs all the time, don’t they?

    few of problems with this idea/story:

    1. won’t Jen see that he has this on his blog and see through the ruse? I mean, she isn’t that dumb.
    2. Isn’t making up fake female interest in you in an effort to make your wife jealous about as beta as you can get? Would any real alpha even consider doing such a thing?
    3. If some hot young slut did in fact bake some stuff for a married man, isn’t he obligated to tell her he can’t accept them because he is married and he wouldn’t want his wife to get the wrong idea? If he valued his marriage, shouldn’t he make sure she never hears about the event?

    funny manosphere related thing. My calc tutor is the most alpha guy I’ve ever met. He’s a physicist, built like a linebacker and a decent looking guy (maybe he’s good looking, I don’t know, I’m terrible at predicting what facial features women are attracted to). He is, however, in his early 50′s and while he has a full head of hair, it is all gray.

    All this talk on the manosphere about older guys still getting approached by younger women made me curious, so I asked him if he ever still got approached by young girls (he’s married with 3 kids). He said that sometimes younger women would flirt with him but he never got the impression that they were too serious. He said that young women pretty much stopped approaching him after his mid 30s.

    If this guy isn’t getting approached by hot young sluts, it’s hard to believe that too many middle aged guys are.

  10. Otis:

    1.) Yes
    2.) Yes
    3.) He doesn’t value his marriage. He constantly brags about how he is going to ditch Dim Jen at anytime and get “laid like tile.”

  11. Otis, Athol makes me physically nauseous, too.

    “Remember, he had a post once on how to make your wife jealous: Pick up some muffins or brownies at the grocery, purchase a nice plate to put them on, and take them home — then tell wifey that the “nice (hot, young) girl” at the office made them for you, because golly, why not?” – that is pathetic!

    “I actually did a cartoon of Asshole and Dim Jen but it was too mean even for me.” – I would like to see it…your cartoons are great, Maria!

  12. It was too mean, Ralphie. It showed Asshole as one of those old fashioned Joker cards from the 1890s holding up a stick with a little Joker’s head on it. Guess who the little Joker was?

    I didn’t send it to No More because I decided that it wasn’t fair to make a mean cartoon about Dim Jen too–she is more like Asshole’s willing stooge, poor thing.

  13. Answers below

    1: I think Jen-Jen helps her doofus husband dream up topics, so I don’t really believe he tries half of these silly tricks on “da wife.”

    2: Yes. So beta and weak and lame, you should just hand in your testicles.

    3. Yes. A married man should say no thanks or suggest she share them with others in the office rather than just himself. “Those look great! Let’s put them next to the coffee pot, or breakroom, or conf. room.” A smart married man would do this to: not lead on an infatuated girl (bunny boiler, bunny boiler!) and to deflate office gossip, which can be deadly for one’s career & reputation.

    And kudos to your tutor for his honesty. Real alphas don’t need to brag.

  14. Ralphie, we have seen the star treks that even humans haven’t seen yet. we support the enterprise- a form that is strangely familiar to us, that is all we can say.

  15. That was the decent thing, Maria — to not have the cartoon posted. I, too, feel sorry for Jen. I’m sure, in real life, she’s a “nice” person — probably good at her job, but just really naive and not posessing a well-rounded type of intelligence.

    She’s married to Asshole; she doesn’t deserve to get the ridicule he does. It’s sad that her most intimate history and sex life have to be pimped for dollars and Asshole’s inflated ego.

  16. My dad on the other hand was a guy who was very hard to classify on the alpha/beta scale. He was physically very weak (I was beating him in arm wrestles by the time I was 14 and I am the worlds biggest girly man) but he looked strong and was a great athlete. He had great hair which never went gray and he was a great athlete. He had movie star good looks, albeit very waspy ones.

    He didn’t have 19 year old girls hitting on him but he did have younger women (women in their 20s) either flirting with or gawking at him when he was well into his 40s.

    Maybe good looks preserve better than alphaness.

  17. but it is tacky and super classless (as opposed to just the generic level of classlessness he normally demonstrates) to boot.

    Remember, this is a guy who wrote that he had to take his fucktoy/stooge Dim Jen along with him to New Zealand when his father was dying of cancer because he couldn’t do without sex for even the few weeks it took Dear Old Dad to check out.

    Yes, a real classy guy indeed.

  18. Maybe I should change the Asshole cartoon to make the little Joker be SueBee instead of Dim Jen?

    Although now that she has taken his link off her blog-roll, maybe they are not BFFs anymore.

  19. too bad athol couldn’t obsess over something more productive. With the single minded obession he has with being alpha, if that was actually applied to something useful he could probably accomplish a lot.

  20. That is hilarious…intergalactic travelers!

    Michael Singer looks VERY feminine…I have always thought he was gay. He made his poor ex wife (no kids) who had apparently become overweight, miserable I imagine for years fighting the divorce financial settlement.

    Lately I am more horrified by the Other Michael commenting on Dickey’s blog…says he is also So. Cal.

  21. Although now that she has taken his link off her blog-roll, maybe they are not BFFs anymore

    I knew that was only a matter of time. She’s gone full circle and is back to being the original “hooking up smart” gal. The truth is she doesn’t need the manosphere anymore.

  22. Michael Singer looks VERY feminine…

    He looks like a space alien; possibly a playmate for Anderson Cooper.

  23. What about Athol & Jen’s kids?!

    The kids are old enough to read their blog and probably get teased/tormented about it at school every day of their lives.

    The parents apparently don’t care.

  24. “What about Athol & Jen’s kids?!”

    I instantly think about the flinchingly awful posts wherein Asshole talks about “cumming” on his wife’s tits and having Jen sit on his face because he LOVES the smell of pussy.

    Oh my. Kids do NOT want to think about their parents doing “it” — and to have it spelled out like that.

    Do you suppose it’s possible their classmates are not aware of the site? Don’t kids like to ferret out anything that can be use as teasing material?

  25. Was it on this blog that I read that this whole alpha-beta thing is a complete fabrication, esp when applied to the original source of the terms: wolves?

    in case this blog isn’t the source for that article..

    Wild wolves live in families; the pack is a family unit. If there is such thing as alpha male, or alpha female, that’s a parent wolf. the rest are cubs, so of course they’ll be submissive.

    So.. That makes these puas and mra all a bunch of whiny children. Ya think?

  26. Do you suppose it’s possible their classmates are not aware of the site? Don’t kids like to ferret out anything that can be use as teasing material?

    OF COURSE the classmates are aware of it. Kids nowadays LIVE on the Internet.

  27. The kids are getting bullied like nobody’s business but all Asshole cares about is his submissive “fucktoy” (he called her that himself so I don’t feel wrong for repeating it) and promoting his “brilliant” career as a “sex blogger.”

    When those two girls grow up they will probably hate their parents, especially slimy old Dad. I hope they refuse to come visit him in the hospital when he’s dying because they don’t want to spend the time away from their sex lives!

  28. He claims he’s making lots of money on his self-published books. I investigated it and it is indeed possible to make a lot of money on self-published books, because the publisher gives the author most of the royalties.

    OT: The main Boston bomber definitely “did” the earlier murder of three Jewish drug dealers in 2011:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html

    Word is that the piece of shit used a gun stolen from that crime scene to kill Sean Collier, the security guard from MIT that the bombers killed when they were trying to get away after the bombing.

  29. It’s cold, overcast, raining and miserable here. It’s the worst Memorial Day I remember for years.

  30. The Other Michael…

    “I’m interested in courting, dating, pair bonding (Thank you Dalrock) marrying and having children with you IN YOUR TWENTIES. NOT IN YOUR THIRTIES. This is an ultimatum. A non negotiable demand. An order. It’s my way. Or the highway. ANY women over 30 and unmarried is too fucking old. And there IS something wrong with her by default. She is good for one thing only – and it’s not marriage.

    Don’t like it? Then marry some unattractive low income loser who doesn’t care because he has zero options and needs a warm wet place to dip his wick stick. Or just continue the behavior you established in your youth lilly-padding like a frog passed around into your 30′s and 40′s from guy to guy – like the whore you are.”

  31. It’s been cold and rainy here for days and days…we went from constant snow to constant rain. I’m not leaving the house today. Back to work tomorrow — of course, the temp will be higher and the sun will come out.

    “This is an ultimatum. A non negotiable demand. An order. It’s my way. Or the highway.”

    Feel the love!

  32. I don’t think The Other Michael has women of any age beating down his door to accept his proposal of marriage.

  33. It is a beautiful, perfect day here.

    Yes, he sounds like a real prize. What a gem!

    This Michael says he lives in L.A. – Singer in San Diego. He says that he is in his thirties, already has his own practice established as an attorney & makes $200K a year. OK. That might be true, but it seems a little far fetched.

    When This Michael first appeared on Dickey’s comments he said he had just discovered a woman he used to know, or it might have even been just a woman he used to *know of*, had gotten married. This upset him greatly because she used to be a “slut”. He was very resentful & upset by the smiling happy faces on their Facebook. It wasn’t fair because she used to be a “slut”. So, he looked up online around how much money her husband would make in his profession. Then he looked up property taxes online to get an idea of what their house was worth. The urgent question he had for Dickey’s other readers was: should he send an anonymous correspondence to this guy to let him know he had married a “slut”?

    Even Deti the Yeti has tried to reason with the Other Michael that he has big entitlement issues. He is so fucked up!

  34. That slut got away with it! She married a guy with money and that’s just not allowed in the manosphere fantasyland! A slut should either be a cat lady. or marry a pimply faced omega who makes minimum wage at the local parking garage!

    Otherwise IT’S JUST NOT FAIR!

  35. So the other guys there are calling this guy out on it? Good for them.

    Are Athol and Dalrock, buds?

  36. Was it on this blog that I read that this whole alpha-beta thing is a complete fabrication, esp when applied to the original source of the terms: wolves?

    in case this blog isn’t the source for that article..

    Wild wolves live in families; the pack is a family unit. If there is such thing as alpha male, or alpha female, that’s a parent wolf. the rest are cubs, so of course they’ll be submissive.

    There’s a video about this stuff :

  37. I don’t believe that Athol Kay is constantly having sex with his wife. I think he says that to please his fan-club. And his fan-club is mostly composed of angry beta males and guys stuck in a loveless and sexless marriage.

  38. Wow. You folks have been busy today!

    HEY! I think I found the homoerotic Cult leader of the Manosphere:

    He da man! He da man!

    Buttzex!

    *passes around eye/ear/brain bleach with everyone*

  39. This Michael says he lives in L.A. – Singer in San Diego. He says that he is in his thirties, already has his own practice established as an attorney & makes $200K a year. OK. That might be true, but it seems a little far fetched.

    I don’t believe him, guys with so much money usually have no problems attracting women.

    When This Michael first appeared on Dickey’s comments he said he had just discovered a woman he used to know, or it might have even been just a woman he used to *know of*, had gotten married. This upset him greatly because she used to be a “slut”. He was very resentful & upset by the smiling happy faces on their Facebook. It wasn’t fair because she used to be a “slut”. So, he looked up online around how much money her husband would make in his profession. Then he looked up property taxes online to get an idea of what their house was worth. The urgent question he had for Dickey’s other readers was: should he send an anonymous correspondence to this guy to let him know he had married a “slut”?

    He’s very jealous that other guys have success.

  40. Just cause he has money doesn’t mean he can get women. At most it means he can afford high class prostitutes

  41. Debra is it raining in the Inland Empire? Or do you have a nice day


    it was very nice today, topping off in the 80s. I’ve been busy getting buried in code and went bbqing when I was ready to punch a fist through my puter screen:D
    I did figure out that CSS problem that was driving me nutty– blame windows7. it barfs code when you least expect it, & likes to change PHP files into txt files, too. yeah. That’s what they call an upgrade @ microsquash.

  42. My rep is def against immigration reform. My one senator is for sure against it and I think the other is for sure for it. It doesn’t matter in the Senate anyway cause it is going to pass there.

    As of now, it won’t pass the house but they are saying it is only a 15 point margin (if Boehner was willing to try passing it with Democrat votes).

  43. It doesn’t matter in the Senate anyway cause it is going to pass there.

    No, it matters in the Senate quite a lot. It matters if we at least hold it to a close vote. If we don’t they will argue that they have “momentum” on their side and taht will be used to pressure the House.

    Start fighting NOW!

  44. I will call and email, but my two senators and my rep are firmly decided.

    My rep actually used to be my mom’s boss. I interned for him for one summer.

  45. I will call and email, but my two senators and my rep are firmly decided.

    Thanks Oats :)

  46. Guys, I somehow gained a pound over the last week eating ~2000 cals, running every morning and walking 4 miles every night. What am I doing wrong?

  47. Otis the Sweaty May 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Guys, I somehow gained a pound over the last week eating ~2000 cals, running every morning and walking 4 miles every night. What am I doing wrong?

    NOTHING. You’re gaining muscle which weighs more than fat. THAT is a good thing since muscle burns fat. Don’t obsess over the scale. If you are following your guidelines, keep the scale away and look in the mirror instead. Also, your body sometimes holds water when your working it really hard. Don’t freak out.

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