More MRAs insanities : Christian PUAs

There are Christian PUAs among MRAs and it’s insane. For example, here is a Christian guy who never had sex, never been drunk, never smoked a cigarette, never done drugs. He discovered game a few years and ago went to a boot camp. Unlike others who wanted to get laid, he was there only to interact with women. Now he believes every things that PUAs (he’s an admirer or Roosh and Roissy) told him and he thinks he knows everything about women. Can you imagine a Christian guy trying to pickup women in clubs ? It’s obvious the PUAs are laughing at him. PUAs are non-Christians and think that these types or Christians are ridicule. As someone said here They are the self-righteous, annoying kind of Christian you want to stuff in a sack and dump over a bridge. Yet the guy believe everything that the PUAs told him. He should stick to Christian women.

http://josephofjackson.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/for-those-who-might-be-interested/

What’s even more insane is that Christians in the US are well organized and not socially isolated. They have dating sites, they go to church regularly and their family life is probably stronger than non-Christians, so they have no reason use PUAs techniques to meet women. But what’s happening is these guys want women out of their league, they don’t want Christian women. They want Jenna Jameson.

And he’s not alone. Dalrock think the same things :

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/why-christians-need-game/

The woman and the dragon do the same thing :

http://thewomanandthedragon.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/a-reader-teaches-some-aspects-of-game-to-men-in-his-church-and-now-faces-expulsion/

These people are not very intelligent. Most PUAs are secular or atheist and therefore ridicule Christians. So basically these Christians are asking dating advices from people who don’t want them to reproduce. Maybe they should ask the advice of Pat Condell about Jesus Christ :

17 thoughts on “More MRAs insanities : Christian PUAs

  1. So, I saw the pingback from your site and was curious what your beef is. Obviously I posted on Dalrock’s and SunShineMary’s sites and the comments elaborate more on my story. What part of it do you object to other than just the idea of it?

  2. What about the idea? I stated clearly while I was there, that I did not indulge in any fornication, nor do I condone it. I went to learn what they had to say about talking to women.

    ” Most PUAs are secular or atheist and therefore ridicule Christians. So basically these Christians are asking dating advices from people who don’t want them to reproduce.”

    I genuinely do not understand your argument. While I was there, I had several in depth conversations with my instructors. They were not insulting in the least (and believe me, they had no qualms about telling you the truth), in fact, quite the opposite. Most of them want to make money and help men. Adam Lyons, who I met while down there, told me that he doesn’t care how you use game, but the point is to better yourself and get more out of life. Is that the issue you have with it? Is bettering yourself with inter-personal communication skills a bad thing? If so, why?

  3. I certainly can understand that if you don’t have a solid Christian lifestyle and don’t have a decent relationship with the Lord how the idea could be frightening. Too much temptation is bad for anyone if you are unprepared for it. While I understand you are uncomfortable with the idea, I can assure you that what I teach other Christian men isn’t pick-up. I teach attraction at a fundamental level. Most Christian men have had this very natural behavior beaten out of them by churches. I’m simply trying to reestablish something that was taken away that shouldn’t have been.

  4. I think I kinda get where your coming from, but game is usually advertised as being about getting laid. Doesn’t seem like something that goes with Christianity. It sounds like a ridiculous combination, even if you have had success with it.

    If you are using Game concepts to have better relationships with women then that’s good, whatever works. But you really don’t need game to know how to talk to women. In fact, I think a lot of things PUAs teach are counter productive.

  5. First off, Game isn’t just about what PUA’s do. The reason I went to the class in Austin was because they advertise as PUA’s but also expressly stated this would be natural conversations. I checked out some of their materials and discovered that they had actually broken down all human interaction and not just male – female ones. The principles they give you are just that, principles. They use their techniques to basically press every attraction trigger in a woman’s mind as fast as is possible to overwhelm her and make her too horny to fight back. This is wrong. I teach a natural approach where you eliminate the things that make you unattractive and make you better at natural conversation. I teach men how to lead conversations like men lead a dance. It’s a pleasant experience to speak with a woman once you know how it’s done. You build attraction slowly over a longer period of time but the techniques allow you to maintain consistency between interactions. PUA’s usually can’t do this until they hit the guru stage.

    Also, I only recommend Roissy and Roosh to prove that the techniques work. I do not approve of their lifestyles and have warned my guys repeatedly that if I see them picking up women for sex then we are done.

  6. I genuinely do not understand your argument. While I was there, I had several in depth conversations with my instructors. They were not insulting in the least (and believe me, they had no qualms about telling you the truth), in fact, quite the opposite. Most of them want to make money and help men.

    Most of them want make money and they don’t help men.

    Adam Lyons, who I met while down there, told me that he doesn’t care how you use game, but the point is to better yourself and get more out of life. Is that the issue you have with it?

    Adams Lyon has been denounced as a scammer and a liar by other PUAs :
    http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=673
    http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=4803
    The guys said himself that PUA is scan and that 98% of PUA instructors don’t get laid.

    Is bettering yourself with inter-personal communication skills a bad thing? If so, why?

    There’s nothing wrong about it but you can learn that for free by reading dating sites.

    Also, I only recommend Roissy and Roosh to prove that the techniques work. I do not approve of their lifestyles and have warned my guys repeatedly that if I see them picking up women for sex then we are done.

    Both Roosh and Roissy are liars. They have been denounced repeatedly by other PUAs.

  7. “Most of them want make money and they don’t help men.”

    As you said yourself, they want to make money so it makes sense that they would denounce each other. I however can personally vouch for Adam’s skill. It’s impressive to say the least.

    “here’s nothing wrong about it but you can learn that for free by reading dating sites.”

    Dating sites tell you what to do to be nice to a girl AFTER she is attracted to you. Anything else is just crap.

    As for thinking that is can’t help men in church, when the men in my church who were willing to listen to me tried some of the things I said, they began to see massive changes in their interactions with everyone, but especially women. I understand that the concept is foreign and uncomfortable to you, but I’ve experienced it myself and have seen repeatable results from the men I have taught it to. Are you opposed to the idea or the methodology? I’m just curious.

  8. “Everything PUAs teach you about ordinary interactions with women can be found for free on the net.”

    So I take it that you aren’t opposed to the material, but that it’s PUA’s teaching it?

  9. That was my first introduction to a Pat Condell video and he was so likable. You are a good guy, nmmng.

    Joseph, maybe you could reconsider your involvement in the manosphere blog world? It is not healthy psychologically, emotionally, spiritually. I wish you well.

  10. @Ralphie

    While I genuinely appreciate your concern, it’s not necessary. The manosphere has been a great tool for me in establishing a relationship with Christ that is not tainted by my lust for an idealized woman. I was completely hopeless with women before I found these blogs and now I really don’t care much about them. God alone is my concern and doing what I can to bring men closer to Him by getting rid of these perfect idealized women they have in their heads. If that’s unhealthy spiritually, then I will just have to be unhealthy.

  11. There was a great article about PUA by a woman who know them :

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/09/25/why_are_women_so_negative_about_the_pickup_artist_community_.html


    PUA instruction turns awkward, nerdy guys who just want a girlfriend into creepy guys who harass and insult women. And that’s not OK!

    PUA instruction teaches guys these mechanical ways of interacting with women that don’t really work and fails to recognize that every woman is different. Some women just won’t go home with you. Sorry. Maybe she’s out of your league. Or maybe she’s just not interested in you. Or maybe she just doesn’t go home with random dudes from bars.

    The words coming out of a woman’s mouth? It’s not all a game. You can have actual conversations with us. When I say “What do you do for a living?” it’s because I actually care. Because I’m looking for someone to build a relationship with, and someone with no career goals is not a good match for me. Answer the question.

    Conversation is not all a giant game. When I’m not interested, it’s because I’m not interested. Not because I’m putting some sort of girl test in front of you.

  12. “While I genuinely appreciate your concern, it’s not necessary. The manosphere has been a great tool for me in establishing a relationship with Christ that is not tainted by my lust for an idealized woman. I was completely hopeless with women before I found these blogs and now I really don’t care much about them. God alone is my concern and doing what I can to bring men closer to Him by getting rid of these perfect idealized women they have in their heads. If that’s unhealthy spiritually, then I will just have to be unhealthy.”

    This reminds me of some friends that struggle with guys because “no guy is perfect the way God is.”

    It’s a very interesting perspective….Joseph of Jackson. I haven’t really read your blog or anything, but I never thought of things that way.

    It’s just so bizarre because it seems like the ‘sphere is so lustful and sexually oriented and angry….but if you’re able to take good things out of it and not the bad, then that can’t be horrible.

  13. Realiti Czech says:
    January 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Sex with passion is the best, sex without passion is tolerable. Both are preferable to no sex at all. For the incel, it’s not “you’d forgo mindblowing, passionate sex for a ROBOT!?” but “you’d forgo using your right hand for a robot?” – that’s the incel’s reality.
    The real problem with the sexbot is one of concealment. If the sexbot could do practical tasks (cleaning/cooking) as well as sex, no problem – plausible deniability – “I only bought it to keep the place clean.” If it is only a sex toy… well, you can easily hide gigabytes of porn, or a stack of porn magazines – but a sex toy that’s the size of a human being? Not so much.
    _______________________________________

    LINK
    https://thewomanandthedragon.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/im-sorry-about-this-but-its-time-to-discuss-sexbots/

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